Secession

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One of my wifes ancestors took the Oath of allegiance 6 times and each time afterwards went back to fight the North. That dude flip flopped more then Kerry.

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No one yet here has mentioned that both New England wanted to secede during the 1830s, Daniel Webster believe it was a States RIGHT to secede and that West Point taught up until 1861 in its law courses that secession is a inherent right of the state. BTW, Maryland voted not to vote on the issue of secession. But had it not been for the Western Maryland Germans and Lincolns unconstitutional "laws", Maryland would have been the 12th Southern State.

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Also I must say that the creation of West Virginia was unconstitutional. The constitution says no state can be created out of a state or territory. The reason the western Virginia counties voted to become their own state was because they were threatened by the Union w/an option. Stay with Virginia and you will lose your booming railroad economy. Leave and form your own state and you will be able to keep the railroads and gain Union military support. Since in that time period the Eastern counties (Where the railroads were) far outweighed the west in population the formation of WVA was fairly easy. After the war the Federal govt offered WVA back to Virginia. The Federal govt told Virginia they could have the Western counties back if they paid back all their prewar and war debts or let WVA remain a state and split the debts in half with the new state.

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Also I must say that the creation of West Virginia was unconstitutional. The constitution says no state can be created out of a state or territory. The reason the western Virginia counties voted to become their own state was because they were threatened by the Union w/an option. Stay with Virginia and you will lose your booming railroad economy. Leave and form your own state and you will be able to keep the railroads and gain Union military support. Since in that time period the Eastern counties (Where the railroads were) far outweighed the west in population the formation of WVA was fairly easy. After the war the Federal govt offered WVA back to Virginia. The Federal govt told Virginia they could have the Western counties back if they paid back all their prewar and war debts or let WVA remain a state and split the debts in half with the new state.

Well, acctually, no.  Though that provision exists in the Constitution, it is basically meaningless.  Vermont was created from New York, Tennessee from North Carolina, Kentucky from Virginia, Maine from Mass. and so on.

Were those states created before or after 1789?

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I know that but were these states broken away as seperate territories before the Constitution was signed? Some founders raised heck about even new territory being added.

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I believe the territories that were broken off from every colony except Maryland was done BEFORE the constitution was signed. If I am getting my history right Maryland refused to sign the Constitution until the other colonies gave up their territory that extended all the way to the pacific ocean.