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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« on: June 18, 2010, 11:34:39 AM »
« edited: June 18, 2010, 11:37:18 AM by Antonio V »
2 to November 1852
1 to June 1804

Imperial plebiscites suck (next are 1802 and 1851).

BTW, very nice poster Fab. Wink
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2010, 03:32:43 PM »
Eliminate November 1852 and June 1804

Keep September 1795
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2010, 12:47:15 PM »
2 to November 1852
2 to June 1804
1 to December 1851
1 to June 1802

What's so great with bonapartist plebiscites ?
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,385
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2010, 08:02:18 AM »
It's fascinating in some way. But it's also a quite hypocritical system of fake democracy. Being  approved by the people doesn't give legitimacy to do whatever you want, especially when there is no free speech and an intense propaganda. I don't hate the two empires, I think they gave many good things to the country, but this way of justifying dictatorship in the name of the people is very disturbing.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,385
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2010, 07:22:57 AM »
Eliminate :
November 1852
December 1851
June 1802

Keep :
September 2000 (referendums should only go after plebiscites)
September 1795


Quote from: big bad fab on June 30, 2010, 05:05:50 PM
And, as for our "subject", I'm more and more fed up with survivors in which we vote as if we support a football team Grin
And I think Hans, Edu, jdb-Mr.X, Vazdul also vote more and more for "kewl", funny, interesting, fascinating, suspenseful, brilliant, original, etc, names or elections or cities or whatever.
It's really funnnier Tongue !

I never knew why you despised so much personal prefencence criteria in survivor votes. I think one's personal opinion of a person or an election is important and I find normal to vote out those one doesn't like. I of course respect your weird and complicated cirteria, but why should ours be assimilated with hackery ?
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2010, 05:58:55 AM »
November 1852
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2010, 05:05:43 AM »
Eliminate December 1851 and November 1852
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2010, 09:59:01 AM »
2 to December 1851
1 to November 1852
1 to November 1988
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2010, 08:59:31 AM »
November 1852
November 1988
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2010, 06:38:07 AM »
Eliminate 1988
Keep 2000 (had major consequences on the political life)
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2010, 07:18:49 AM »
4 to April 1972
2 to May 2005 (if only it hadn't even been held !)
2 to January 1961
2 to May 1946
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,385
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2010, 03:34:33 AM »
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,385
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2010, 04:15:03 AM »
4 to May 2005 (the parliament should have ratified the treaty without calling a referendum)
3 to May 1946
2 to October 1946
1 to September 1958 (it was almost a bonapartist plebiscite)
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2010, 05:03:04 AM »
October 1946
September 1958
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2010, 03:18:41 AM »
3 to October 1946
2 to September 1958
1 to October 1945 (constitutional powers)
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,385
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2010, 09:16:32 AM »
Eliminate :
- September 1958
- October 1945

Keep May 1870 (for now)
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,385
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2010, 09:59:34 AM »

Sigh... Sad What's the problem this time ?
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,385
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2010, 02:55:24 PM »

This one was going in the "right" sense. Wink I just think there are less interesting ones for now. Of course it's not my pick for survivor. Tongue
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2010, 03:48:55 AM »
Eliminate October 1945 (Provisional constitutional law)

Keep :
- May 1870
- April 1969

Then 1958 must go.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,385
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2010, 05:27:03 AM »
2 to September 1958
1 to May 1870
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,385
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2010, 11:42:39 AM »
May 1870
May 2005
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,385
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2010, 04:50:03 AM »
May 2005
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,385
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2010, 05:48:58 AM »
Eh, now with the top 3, the hard choices begin... All three have positive and negative aspects.

The 1962 referendum was the most decisive event of the French political history, probably since the 1877 crisis. Contrary to whatwe often hear, that was this referendum which established the current semi-presidential regime and not the 1958 one. Without, France would have remained a parliamentary regime as soon as De Gaulle would have left power. On the other hand, it has something clearly bonapartist, and while I favor direct election of President I disagree with the reasons why it was established.

The 1969 referendum had enormous consequences too. On the other hand, it wasn't important per se. De Gaulle and his opponents both made it a personal issues. A kind of plebiscite too, so.

The 1992 was certainly the most hardly fought and interesting that had ever been held. Mitterrand's involvement in getting it passed is laudable and he showed a great energy despite the fact he was already coming to an end. on the other hand, should it really have been held ? Just imagine that the referendum failed like the 2005 one : all the progresses the EU made since 1992 would have been erased. for a putrely personal challenge, Mitterrand put the whole european construction under a threat, whereas he had the power to quietly ratify it though Parliament.


Bah, 1969 I guess.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,385
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2010, 05:46:56 AM »
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,385
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2010, 05:05:17 AM »
Interestingly, we almost always agreed in the final rounds. Smiley
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