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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2012, 01:28:44 PM »
Quote from: Keystone Phil on July 10, 2012, 10:50:01 AM
So Monti would have run under Terzo Polo?

This is politics-fiction, so don't take it too seriously. But considering how Casini has been Monti's top fanboy from the beginning, that would probably be the most likely situation if he ever runs.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2012, 05:24:44 AM »
The "Monti coalition" as imagined by the media would include all the parties that currently back the government, from PD to PdL. It is, however, far from being a likely scenario.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2012, 09:16:51 AM »
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2012, 05:53:49 AM »
Quote from: Comrade Sibboleth on July 16, 2012, 04:55:47 AM
Eh, in 1994 there were still large numbers of Italians who voted for successor parties to those destroyed by the scandals.

The fact that there are people who would still vote for PdL after everything is not what surprises me the most. Every major party has its core base of diehard supporters which nothing could make them change their minds (see PASOK, for example). What really creeps me out is the idea that Berlusconi's return could somehow help the PdL to regain lost voters.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2012, 03:36:06 AM »
Thanks for your work, Batmacumba. Smiley

For some reason, the Italian polling archive hasn't been updated since June 19. I can't find any poll after then...
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #30 on: August 04, 2012, 07:17:49 AM »
I've not been following italian news since a while, sorry. Wink

Anyways, I planned to start my polling tracker, but I can't find the recent polls anymore. Shame... Sad
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #31 on: August 04, 2012, 12:17:28 PM »
Quote from: Keystone Phil on August 04, 2012, 11:47:49 AM
Quote from: Peternerdman on August 03, 2012, 08:30:14 PM
Well, I just read Vendola announced on Wednesday that he's running in the primaries.  Any news on what his prospects seem to be right now, Antonio?  Have any other candidates declared?

It was mentioned earlier that Vendola apparently isn't much of a factor anymore. Of course, Bersani is also a candidate.

Has Renzi made up his mind ?
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2012, 08:22:35 AM »
Quote from: batmacumba on August 10, 2012, 08:11:47 AM
Quote from: Antonio V on August 04, 2012, 07:17:49 AM
I've not been following italian news since a while, sorry. Wink

Anyways, I planned to start my polling tracker, but I can't find the recent polls anymore. Shame... Sad

Antonio, I hate to say, but You're taking too much time to do It and I'll have to update mine... Wink

No problem, of course ! Wink But where do you find poll results ?
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2012, 10:06:30 AM »
Ah, I see. I always fear wikipedia on this kind of things not being exhaustive.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2012, 01:27:36 PM »
Sadly, I'm completely unaware of Italian political developments since july, roughly. I need to find some good internet based media source.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #35 on: September 14, 2012, 03:52:36 PM »
I have to say highly doubt this will actually affect Italian politics apart from further sinking the PdL in electoral abysses.

That said... I shudder at the possibility of being wrong. The extent of human stupidity is limitless.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2012, 12:59:00 AM »
So that means new elections? Great, hopefully this will be another hammering for PdL.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2012, 06:31:30 PM »
Yeah, this country is depressing...
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #38 on: October 07, 2012, 02:09:07 PM »
Quote from: italianboy8 on October 07, 2012, 07:10:37 AM

Lol,never heard of that "Indipendenza Veneta" movement.

In the meanwile,extremely close primary for the centerleft.
Last polls gave Bersani and Renzi around 38%,with Vendola in the 20%s and the others in the low single-digits.
Personally I am still undecided between Bersani and Renzi,even though slightly leaning for Renzi.

I hope the system they use is two-rounds.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2012, 02:56:19 PM »
I don't think they have meaningful policy differences at this point. All of the PD is made of Third Way centrists at this point.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #40 on: October 23, 2012, 12:29:41 AM »
So PdL still hasn't regained any ground since his crash last Spring? I still don't think it will stay at this level, but if it does, God it will be beautiful... Hopefully the Formigoni trainwreck will help keeping them to the ground. Lega, on the other hand, seems marginally up from its 4-5% lows. Sad, but after all they're in the opposition, so it's easy for them.

Surprisingly good PD levels, but it seems to be siphoning IdV and SEL, so it sucks. Sad
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2012, 03:34:59 PM »
Wait, Berlusconi has given up?!?
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2012, 09:10:00 PM »
Santachè is the Italian Sarah Palin.

As for Berlusconi, that's awesome. We're really rid of him.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2012, 09:33:50 PM »
Statute of limitation will probably run out before all appeals are exhausted, which means Berlusconi won't serve any time in jail. But at least we can definitively write him off Italy's political stage.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #44 on: November 01, 2012, 07:55:37 PM »
I assume he's politically dead. Scandals like that are OK in Italy if you are in the mainstream parties, but not if you're someone with the sort of appeal Vendola had.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #45 on: November 19, 2012, 05:01:33 PM »
Quote from: Andrea on November 19, 2012, 12:53:26 PM
Quote from: Keystone Phil on November 16, 2012, 03:56:12 PM
Some help, please, from the Italians: is this March 10th date the day for the Parliamentary elections or just the regional Special elections?

just the regional special elections...for the moment
PdL would like to have the parliamentary elections on the same day. Nothing has been decided yet though. However, pushing regional elections from January to March makes a big election day more likely than before.

Why is the PdL so eager to be annihilated?
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #46 on: November 19, 2012, 08:37:42 PM »
BTW, if elections are held in March, April or May, that means my parents will have to fill and send my ballots. That's a shame, because my first vote for a non-referendum Italian election is an important step in my civic life. Cry
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #47 on: November 20, 2012, 12:09:47 AM »
Quote from: Keystone Phil on November 19, 2012, 08:48:54 PM
Quote from: Californian Tony on November 19, 2012, 08:37:42 PM
BTW, if elections are held in March, April or May, that means my parents will have to fill and send my ballots. That's a shame, because my first vote for a non-referendum Italian election is an important step in my civic life. Cry

You shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway once your family relocated to...that place.

Tongue

Who are you supporting in the primary? I guess Vendola.

Yeah, Vendola would be my choice, but at this point it's gonna be between Renzi and Bersani. So, really, anybody but that old stale party boss. I'm not necessarily fond of Renzi's views, but at least he injects some life in a party of useless tools.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #48 on: November 24, 2012, 03:04:09 PM »
Tomorrow, already?

God, I really hope Renzi pulls an upset. After all that happened since 2008, we can't end up with Bersani.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #49 on: November 24, 2012, 04:27:45 PM »
4 possible explanations:

1. He knows his career is over and wants to bring the party down with him.

2. He's trolling Italians.

3. Dementia.

4. A combination of the above 3.
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