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Antonio the Sixth
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« on: October 02, 2019, 01:08:57 AM »
« edited: November 20, 2019, 12:27:48 AM by Mangez des pommes ! »

Hi again! So since I felt a little bad about my 50,000th post project being kind of a redux of an old hit, I decided I needed something a little different to complement it. I will try to keep this project updated regularly in conjunction with the 100 States one. It's possible that either one falls by the wayside at some point if I get busy, but hopefully the hiatus won't be too long either way.

However, because I suck at coming up with original ideas, this time instead of building on an earlier project of mine, I will instead be taking over someone else's. Specifically, I'm talking about jimrtex's "New Zealand Style Apportionment" concept. I'll assume he doesn't mind, given that that thread has been dormant for 8 years. Besides, I intend to take this project in a different direction by focusing it on what election outcomes would look like under such a scenario (hence the placement on this board rather than the demographics one).

So, without further ado, let's get started.


Apportionment

First, I want to redo the apportionment process. While the big picture is the same as in jimrtex's project, I followed a slightly different procedure than he did and so got slightly different results. First, I included DC in the House (but not Puerto Rico) and thus raised its size to 436. Like jimrtex, I count Hispanics as a single category regardless of race. But unlike him, I don't take care of splitting up the "multiracial" category, and instead just consider it as its own block. It is a little awkward, since a person who's Black and Asian presumably won't find much in common with a White and Native American, but I still feel that it's the only solution that doesn't devolve into splitting hairs about who gets lumped into what ethnic box.

Given these criteria, this is the apportionment we get. I use the Harmonic Mean rule to apportion the extra seats (because it's one of the apportionment rules most favorable to smaller groups, and ethnic minorities might rightfully see it as a guarantee).

GroupPopulationSeats (Th)Seats (Min)QuotaSeats (Tot)
White196,817,552277.94277709,255278
Black37,685,84853.2253704,47053
Hispanic50,477,59471.2871706,01571
Asian14,465,12420.4320706,03621
AIAN2,247,0983.173655,4043
NHPI481,5760.680Inf1
Other Races604,2650.850Inf1
Multiracial5,966,4818.438704,3768

The next step is apportioning each group's seats across states, of course. I already have most of the calculations ready, but I'm going to cut it short for today since it's pretty late. Like jimrtex, I will be combining states that fall significantly below the quota in order to avoid excessive population disparities across districts. For White people, the apportionment turns out the same as in jimrtex's versions, but for other races I made different choices in terms of combining states (for example, prioritizing contiguity over exact population equality). I'll show my work in the coming days, and then of course I'll get into drawing the actual districts.

Again, hope you enjoy, and comments/questions/criticism always welcome.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2019, 08:44:31 PM »

All right, I know my OP had very little stuff in it, but I swear I'm doing my best to keep both of my new projects afloat. I hope there's some degree of interest in this. I will get to the cool maps soon enough, I swear. Tongue In the meantime, here's a little grunt work I have to get through.


Apportionment (continued)

Let's next apportion each group's seats across states. Obviously, due to the reduced number of seats to apportion, keeping the minimum 1-seat-per-state requirement is unreasonable. For Whites, given their numbers, I still largely abide by it, and only make exception for Hawaii (merged with Alaska) and DC (merged with Maryland), which are less than half the quota. That leaves the least populous seat, Wyoming, at around 2/3rd of the quota. For minority groups, I was a lot more cavalier about merging states, since there's really no point in preserving state lines when there's about as many (or less) seats as there are states. I tried to keep all seats within 10% of the quota, and put a hard cap at 20%. Here's what it looks like.

White: 278
California: 21
Texas: 16
New York: 16
Florida: 15
Pennsylvania: 14
Ohio: 13
Illinois: 12
Michigan: 11
North Carolina: 9
Georgia: 8
Indiana: 7
New Jersey: 7
Virginia: 7
Massachusetts: 7
Washington: 7
Missouri: 7
Tennessee: 7
Wisconsin: 7
Minnesota: 6
Kentucky: 5
Arizona: 5
Colorado: 5
Alabama: 5
Oregon: 4
South Carolina: 4
Louisiana: 4
Iowa: 4
Oklahoma: 4
Connecticut: 4
Kansas: 3
Utah: 3
Arkansas: 3
West Virginia: 2
Mississippi: 2
Nebraska: 2
Nevada: 2
Idaho: 2
Maine: 2
New Hampshire: 2
Montana: 1
New Mexico: 1
Rhode Island: 1
South Dakota: 1
North Dakota: 1
Vermont: 1
Delaware: 1
Wyoming: 1
--------------------
MD+DC: 5
AK+HI: 1


Black: 53
Georgia: 4
Texas: 4
Florida: 4
New York: 4
California: 3
North Carolina: 3
Virginia: 2
Louisiana: 2
Ohio: 2
Michigan: 2
Pennsylvania: 2
South Carolina: 2
Missouri: 1
--------------------
WV+KY+IN+IL: 4
AL+MS: 3
MD+DC: 3
AR+TN: 2
NJ+DE: 2
ME+NH+VT+MA+RI+CT: 1
WA+OR+NV+AZ+AK+HI: 1
OK+KS+NE+CO+NM+UT: 1
WI+MN+IA+ND+SD+MT+WY+ID: 1


Hispanic: 71
California: 20
Texas: 13
Florida: 6
New York: 5
Illinois: 3
New Jersey: 2
North Carolina: 1
Washington: 1
Pennsylvania: 1
Nevada: 1
--------------------
NM+AZ: 4
SC+GA+AL+TN: 2
CO+UT: 2
DE+MD+VA+WV+KY: 2
ME+NH+VT+MA+CT+RI: 2
ID+OR+HI+AK: 1
MI+WI: 1
OH+IN: 1
IA+MN+ND+SD+NE+MT+WY: 1
MS+LA+AR+MO:1
OK+KS: 1


Asian: 21
California: 7
New York: 2
New Jersey: 1
--------------------
TN+AL+MS+LA+AR+TX+OK+KS: 2
GA+FL: 1
VA+WV+NC+SC: 1
PA+MD+DE+DC: 1
MN+IA+ND+SD+NE+MT+WY+CO+UT+NM+AZ: 1
OH+IN+MI+WI+KY: 1
OR+AK+HI: 1
WA+ID+NV: 1
IL+MO: 1
ME+NH+VT+MA+RI+CT: 1


AIAN: 3
AK+HI+OR+CA+NV+AZ+NM: 1
MN+ND+SD+NE+KS+OK+MT+WY+ID+CO+UT+OR+WA: 1
Everything else: 1


NHPI: 1


Other Races: 1


Multiracial: 8
HI+CA+NV+AZ+NM+UT: 2
AK+WA+OR+ID+MT+WY+CO+ND+SD+NE+KS: 1
ME+VT+NH+MA+RI+CT+NY+PA: 1
OH+IN+IL+MI+WI: 1
GA+FL+AL+MS+TN+KY+LA: 1
TX+OK+AR+MO+KS: 1
NJ+DE+MD+DC+VA+WV+NC+SC: 1


Next update, I'll start drawing the White districts and discussing how they might vote. Thanks for bearing with me. Tongue
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2019, 05:48:03 PM »

All right, time to get into the heart of things.


White Districts

Here, I'll be going over White redistricting state by state, posting maps of the 2012-2020 districts as I think they would have been drawn by a mostly nonpartisan actor (given that a lot of the drive toward gerrymandering has historically been based on racial motivations or pretexts, it's not implausible to imagine that separating seats a priori based on race would lead to fairer maps).

I'll do my best to guesstimate how these districts would have voted throughout the decade, in both House and Presidential elections. I'll be basing these guesses largely on Adam Griffin's excellent project on White vote for Obama in 2012. I can only wish that something of the same kind existed for 2016, but I'm not aware of it, so I will have to draw up rough estimates of the trends. It goes without saying that the margin of error of all this will be enormous, so I highly welcome any feedback and alternative takes on the politics of these districts.

To start simple, today I'll do all the one-seat States, and then move up the list until I get to California (oh boy...).


Alaska and Hawaii

According to Adam's map, Hawaii Whites are strongly Democratic (though not as much as nonwhites), while Alaska Whites are strongly Republican. AK makes up about 57.5% of the district's White CVAP, so this works out slightly to Republicans' advantage. This is a district that Republicans are favored in, but that can flip for Democrats in the right year. That being said, using 2012 as a baseline might overstate Democratic strength due to Obama's strong favorite son effect in Hawaii. It is possible that Clinton lost the district by more than twice Obama's margin. In addition, Alaska Whites probably turn out at a higher rate than Hawaii Whites. Still, in light of Young's underperformance, I'm going to go out on a limb and say this seat flipped in 2018.

2008 Presidential: 51% McCain, 46% Obama
2012 Presidential: 50% Romney, 46% Obama
2016 Presidential: 49% T***p, 41% Clinton

2013 Representative: Don Young
2015 Representative: Don Young
2017 Representative: Don Young
2019 Representative: Ed Case


Wyoming

Nothing to see here, of course. A Titanium-R seat will become slightly more Titanium. If Democrats are winning this one, the GOP might just have collapsed as a party.

2008 Presidential: 67% McCain, 30% Obama
2012 Presidential: 71% Romney, 25% Obama
2016 Presidential: 71% T***p, 19% Clinton

2013 Representative: Cynthia Lummis
2015 Representative: Cynthia Lummis
2017 Representative: Liz Cheney
2019 Representative: Liz Cheney


Delaware

This one is a bit trickier. Adam's map suggests that Romney narrowly carried the state, suggesting that the district would be a GOP-leaning battleground. On the other hand, the fact that the ticket including the ultimate favorite son Joe Biden still lost it might mean that it's really more Republican than it looks. Still, Obama did almost certainly carry it in 2008, and it's certainly not unwinnable for the party. 2018 would be close, but ultimately, the Republican trend over the past 8 years makes me doubtful that Democrats could take this seats even in such a good year for them. I have no idea who would actually represent the seat though, since who knows who the Republicans would run.

2008 Presidential: 52% Obama, 47% McCain
2012 Presidential: 50% Romney, 48% Obama
2016 Presidential: 52% T***p, 42% Clinton

2013 Representative: <R>
2015 Representative: <R>
2017 Representative: <R>
2019 Representative: <R>


Vermont

There's really not much to say here. Vermont's electorate is almost entirely White to begin with, so making it only White will change very little to its politics. Still Titanium-D State, still safely in Pete Welch's hands.

2008 Presidential: 67% Obama, 31% McCain
2012 Presidential: 66% Obama, 31% Romney
2016 Presidential: 56% Clinton, 31% T***p

2013 Representative: Peter Welch
2015 Representative: Peter Welch
2017 Representative: Peter Welch
2019 Representative: Peter Welch


North Dakota

Not much would change here. Taking away the Native American vote (primarily) makes the State about 7 points more Republicans. This might have made it harder for Democratic candidates to hold the seat in the mid and late 2000s, back when they actually won it IRL, but no Democrats have come close to winning it this decade. All this does is make a solidly Republican seat slightly more solid.

2008 Presidential: 57% McCain, 41% Obama
2012 Presidential: 62% Romney, 35% Obama
2016 Presidential: 66% T***p, 24% Clinton

2013 Representative: Kevin Cramer
2015 Representative: Kevin Cramer
2017 Representative: Kevin Cramer
2019 Representative: Kelly Armstrong


South Dakota

See above. Actually, Democrats lose slightly more in SD than in ND (probably because the former has slightly more Native Americans). As a result, the two districts are about equally Republicans, rather than SD being somewhat more Dem-friendly. Still, nothing would change here.

2008 Presidential: 58% McCain, 40% Obama
2012 Presidential: 62% Romney, 35% Obama
2016 Presidential: 66% T***p, 27% Clinton

2013 Representative: Kristi Noem
2015 Representative: Kristi Noem
2017 Representative: Kristi Noem
2019 Representative: Dusty Johnson


Rhode Island

Rhode Island has only one seat in the White-only apportionment, meaning that only one of the two White Democrats who currently represent it would be able to hang on. Since Langevin is far more senior than Cicilline, my best guess is that he would get the spot. In terms of partisanship, RI would be a tad more Republican, but not enough to seriously worry Democrats there. Even Clinton comfortably won the White vote there.

2008 Presidential: 60% Obama, 37% McCain
2012 Presidential: 60% Obama, 38% Romney
2016 Presidential: 52% Clinton, 41% T***p

2013 Representative: James Langevin
2015 Representative: James Langevin
2017 Representative: James Langevin
2019 Representative: James Langevin


New Mexico

NM Whites get only one seat, compared to the three seats the State as a whole (which is still plurality-White in its CVAP) gets IRL. This is a significant reduction in Whites' voting power. In partisan terms however, it ultimately works out in the GOP's benefit. If we trust Adam's calculations, New Mexico Whites are more Republican than any of the State's current CDs, even the 2nd. Even in his 2008 landslide in the State, Obama still lost the White vote by 10 points. So, we can guess that Pearce would easily have been succeeded by Herrell with little fuss here.

2008 Presidential: 54% McCain, 44% Obama
2012 Presidential: 56% Romney, 39% Obama
2016 Presidential: 53% T***p, 34% Clinton

2013 Representative: Steve Pearce
2015 Representative: Steve Pearce
2017 Representative: Steve Pearce
2019 Representative: Yvette Herrell


Montana

This is largely the same story as the Dakotas, with Democrats bleeding a few points as a result of losing the Native American vote. Here however, this potentially makes more of a difference given Montana's occasional flirtations with Democrats. For example, Obama came within 2.5 points of beating McCain, but among Whites only, he comes 10 points short. Similarly, Greg Gianforte would probably never have to seriously worry about his prospects to either win the seat in 2017 or hold it in 2018.

2008 Presidential: 53% McCain, 43% Obama
2012 Presidential: 59% Romney, 38% Obama
2016 Presidential: 59% T***p, 32% Clinton

2013 Representative: Steve Daines
2015 Representative: Ryan Zinke
2017 Representative: Ryan Zinke
2019 Representative: Greg Gianforte
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2019, 09:36:23 PM »


Oh! Shocked I didn't know about this, fascinating!

I note that it was made by reagente, whom I vaguely recall was working on this project a while ago, but didn't know he'd finished. I don't see him around much anymore. I'd have liked to ask him about his methodology and whether/how it differs from Adam's. I'm going to take his estimates into account but also compare them to my extrapolations from Adam's analysis and overall trends. Hopefully those estimates more or less fit together.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2019, 02:19:58 AM »

OK, so I calculated the "swing" in the White vote by state, according to Griffin and Reagente's estimate (this requires a bit of guesswork on the Griffin end, since he only has Obama's vote share, but I just assumed that the Other vote share was the same as IRL). This is the map we get:



Compare with the overall swing map:


The broad, general pattern is similar (of course), but something just isn't right. First of all, too many states swung to T***p overall despite Whites swinging to Clinton. I know that there was some degree of demobilization among Blacks and Hispanics compared to 2012, but that can't explain the full extent of this discrepancy. Overall, the map above would imply that T***p's margin of victory among Whites was identical or near-identical to Romney's. And it's hard to see enough mobilization for Whites in NC and NM to swing Democratic by over 5 points, while general electorate swings Republican. Conversely, if we accept the mobilization thesis, it's hard to understand then why California Whites barely swung while the State as a whole clearly did?

It seems clear to me that the two estimates have significant methodological differences. Obviously I don't know enough to be able to tell which methodology makes more sense, though I'd love to see Griff and Reagente debate it. So I'm going to be drawing from both in my guesstimates here, but not necessarily commit to either. We'll see what comes out.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2019, 03:39:58 AM »

New Hampshire



NH-1: McCain+1, Romney+6, T***p+7. A surprisingly Republican district, and would be so even if nonwhites could vote in it. Really goes to show that the current NH map is really one of those dumb "competitiveness" gerrymanders. Since it's very suburban, however, this is the kind of area where Democrats can expect to overperform. I'm guessing the GOP held the seat until 2018, when it narrowly flipped Democratic. I guess Pappas represents it now, but he faces a tough reelection.

NH-2: Obama+16, Obama+10, Clinton+2. Conversely, this used to be a very Democratic district, although a lot less so recently, because the more rural Western counties have swung massively to T***p in 2016. Still, its PVI is comparable to the real NH-2, which hasn't elected a Republican in this round of redistricting, so I'm assuming the seat stayed Democratic all through, presumably with Ann Kuster.
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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2019, 12:15:17 AM »

Have you considered using DRA 2020? Might save you a headache or two in the larger states. Great project and I'm excited to see more.

I've tried to use DRA 2020, but it wouldn't let me make an account (kept saying that the email I was using was "already in use", even when I tried different emails). If you have any tips for how to sign up, I'm all ears.
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2019, 12:40:53 AM »

Maine



ME-1: Obama+21, Obama+19, Clinton+13. This is basically the RL ME-1 with borders slightly adjusted to better respect county lines and compactness. Its PVI is pretty much the same if you include the full population. Excluding nonwhites can only shave one or two points points off the Democratic margin. Chellie Pingree has been holding this seat for a while and isn't about to lose it

ME-2: Obama+10, Obama+7, T***p+11. Conversely, this is basically the real ME-2. There's even less difference here, since this is one of the Whitest districts in the country. Nevertheless, the 2018 election was close enough that even a minor shift could have cost Golden his seat. I can say for sure that Michaud occupied this seat until 2015, and Poliquin from 2015 to 2019, but I can't say for sure who holds it now. My guess is Golden wins by a recount-worthy margin and Poliquin throws an even bigger fit and possibly succeeds in delegitimizing RCV. Yeesh.
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2019, 07:04:22 PM »
« Edited: November 16, 2019, 07:36:56 PM by Mangez des pommes ! »

Idaho



ID-1: McCain+30, Romney+34, T***p+34. The more "competitive" of the two ID seats since it's centered around Boise, not that that's saying much. This would be the seat held by Fulcher and then Labrador, interestingly a pretty different one from the one they occupy IRL.

ID-2: McCain+35, Romney+44, T***p+42. Obviously titanium-R, although this seat probably displays some interesting cultural diversity, with the heavily Mormon Southeast and the more culturally populist Northern panhandle. Either way, Mike Simpson can probably have this seat if he wants it.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2019, 01:00:21 AM »
« Edited: November 19, 2019, 01:16:12 AM by Mangez des pommes ! »

Nevada


Used a Clark Co. insert here, for obvious reasons.

NV-1: McCain+1, Romney+6, T***p+10. Even this very urban seat, concentrated around Las Vegas, would vote Republican in most elections. While the heavy Hispanic (and to a lesser extent Black and Asian) presence makes the area solidly Democratic, its White electorate is solidly Republican, though not overwhelmingly so. Obama came very close to winning the district (and maybe did so, since obviously there's a margin of error to my estimates). Still, that's a steep hill for Democrats to climb, and I doubt they have or will at any point this decade. Sadly for humanity, Danny Tarkanian can probably have this seat. He'd face a close reelection in 2018 but my guess is he'd narrowly survive.

NV-2: McCain+20, Romney+26, T***p+29. Democrats don't even come close here, of course. I guess Mark Amodei has held it ever since he first ran.
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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2019, 08:50:29 PM »

Just something you might want to consider: there are 3-4 million Arab Americans who probably don’t like those numbers so much.

Well, yeah, the Census' definition of "White" is pretty ridiculous at this point, and if I was in charge of it I'd definitely add a "Middle Eastern" category to make things clearer. Unfortunately, I have no choice but to work with the census categories I have, so Arabs get to vote in the White seats. They'd probably still be in a decent position to elect one of them, since Wayne County has its own Congressional District and Dearborn probably weighs heavily within it.
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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2019, 02:10:23 PM »

Nebraksa



NV-1: McCain+18, Romney+26, T***p+28. The most "competitive" of the two districts, but don't expect much of it. Even Douglas County Whites voted for Romney and T***p by comfortable margins, and this district extends much farther into the Nebraskan hinterland than its RL counterpart. Terry would never have lost reelection here, and so would probably still be occupying his seat.

NV-2: McCain+30, Romney+36, T***p+39. Titanium R, of course. Smith and Fortenberry both live in this districts (albeit on opposite ends of it), so they would have to battle it out in a primary. My understanding is that Fortenberry is a bit more of a heavyweight, and so would have the advantage, but Smith might have the advantage of hailing from a more rural part of the district, which would probably play well in this electorate. I'd be happy to get input from anyone with knowledge of NE politics.
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« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2019, 04:33:56 PM »

I know you don't go over there, but Lewis Trondheim did a similar (but not the same, so no worries) project over on AAD that you might find interesting.

Oh! I'm definitely interested. Can you give me a link (by PM if the mods don't want direct links posted)?
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« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2019, 07:08:27 PM »

Mississippi



MS-1: McCain+75, Romney+77, T***p+77. You get the picture: this is Adamantium-R territory. Republicans have achieved such a one-party status among MS Whites that Democrats wouldn't even bother running. There would be quite a bit of competition for this seat, since the recent representatives for IRL districts 3 and 4 would both be in this district. I'm not sure who would prevail, but I guess Steven Palazzo would have an edge from representing more of his original constituency

MS-2: McCain+74, Romney+75, T***p+77. Basically everything I said of MS-1 also applies here. Except that Nunnelee and then Kelly would have an easier time holding this district with little competition.
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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2019, 02:18:29 PM »

Tbh, I think I would find this project more interesting if you also upped the size of the US House in it by a substantial level, like you are doing in your 100 states project.

Yeah, sorry but I don't have it in me right now. It actually took me a year or so to draw just the 278 White districts, and I'm still not done with districts for other races, so as much as I like the idea of expanding the House, I haven't and probably won't be able to find time for it. Note that I'm not actually drawing the districts for my 100-states project, all I'm doing is a rough guess.
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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2019, 07:36:25 PM »

Well, overall size of the house aside, let's proceed to our final two-seat state before moving to those with increasingly more complex district maps. And this one is a #populist Purple heart classic!


West Virginia



WV-1: McCain+17, Romney+33, T***p+47. After our little tour through Adamantium-R Mississippi, this almost looks like a competitive district by comparison. Tongue Still, that massive WV trend that we've all been talking to death about for a decade is very real, and we can see it here. Downballot Democrats would obviously do a lot better than Hillary did, but "a lot better than Hillary did" is still not enough to win anymore. In 2012, though, it would have been enough for Rahall to hand on (the district he represented IRL has a similar partisanship. But even if he didn't retire to run for Senate, I could still see him going down in the very unfavorable year (perhaps even to Shelley Moore Capito, who wouldn't have had a seat in the House until then since she represented the Charleston area IRL).If not in 2014, then in 2016 this seat would safely be a Republican pickup.

WV-2: McCain+20, Romney+31, T***p+46. This is the more historically Republican part of the state, although this difference has all but disappeared with the uniformizing Republican trend of the past decades. Still, this means that the seat has probably been Republican since 2010 if not earlier. David McKinley is the natural choice to represent it.
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« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2019, 01:31:57 AM »

I know you don't go over there, but Lewis Trondheim did a similar (but not the same, so no worries) project over on AAD that you might find interesting.

Oh! I'm definitely interested. Can you give me a link (by PM if the mods don't want direct links posted)?
Here you go! link

Oh, I see! So he apportioned 435 House seats to each racial group regardless of size. That is excellent to reveal more fine-grained demographic pattern, and hopefully it fulfills Solid's desire for a larger House. Wink On the other hand, actually applying this principle to our government would result in gross malapportionment (unless you introduce things like weighted voting). So yeah, thankfully Lewis and I had very different goals in mind with these project, so I'm not unwittingly plagiarizing him. Tongue

But yeah, fascinating stuff! Thanks for the link.
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« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2019, 03:05:55 PM »

Honestly while it is a long way off I wonder if any of the minoritt districts will vote R or at least be competitive

There will definitely be a few R-leaning Hispanic districts in Southern Florida. Not sure about others though. I'll probably need everybody's help when we get to non-White, non-Black districts.
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« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2020, 12:08:21 AM »

I've been considering what to do now that the county-level White vote map is down. I have all the White districts drawn up already, but I can't make any reliable estimate of their PVI without that data. Of course I can still give a subjective rating, but that's a lot less interesting. Still, you're right, let's keep this going.


Arkansas



AR-1: The most urban and therefore least Republican of the three districts, but that's not saying much. I'd guess Republicans typically win around 70% of the vote there. Safe R.

AR-2: This district encompasses the heavily Black areas in the East of the state, but obviously the White people there are deeply Republican. Probably over 70% Republican majorities are commonplace. Safe R.

AR-3: Probably the most Republican of the three districts. Wouldn't be surprised if they routinely get over 3/4 of the vote. Safe R.
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« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2020, 03:37:28 PM »
« Edited: March 17, 2020, 09:04:51 PM by Trends are real, and I f**king hate it »

If I were to send you an excel chart with the estimated raw number of whites voting for Trump, Clinton, and Other by county, would that be enough to do 2016 estimates?

I could yeah, but that would be a LOT of work (at least for districts with lots of counties like AR-2 here) and I'm not sure I'm up for it right now.
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« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2020, 10:05:33 PM »
« Edited: March 23, 2020, 06:25:56 PM by Trends are real, and I f**king hate it »

Utah



UT-1: As you can see from the map, this district basically covers Salt Lake County. This makes it one of the first competitive districts we've seen in a long time, with Democrats having a real shot at winning it. Among all voters, it was a tie in 2008, a Romney blowout in 2012, and a 9-10 points Clinton win in 2016. Since the district is only 74% White, though, the real numbers are somewhat more Republican friendly. Reagente has the numbers for 2016, so he can let us know, but my guess would be that Clinton still narrowly won whites here. This implies that the district is significantly more Democratic than even UT-4, which was won by a Democrat in 2012 and 2018. Thus, I'm going to assume the same electoral history here: Matheson 13-15, Love 15-19, McAdams 19-present. Lean R overall.

UT-2: Not much of a chance for Democrats in this district that encompasses the Northern edge of the State. McCain probably broke 70% here, and Romney 80%. T***p didn't pull off these scores, probably hovering around 55%, but there's a good chance that McMullin, rather than Clinton, came in second. Safe R.

UT-3: Finally, the district that covers most of Utah, including the famed conservative bastion of Provo, is even more safely Republican than the other two. Even T***p probably came close to 60% here. Safe R.
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« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2020, 10:18:41 PM »

Kansas



KS-1: A reasonably competitive district, thanks to the Dem-trending Kansas City area. Obama in 08 and Hillary in 16 both won the overall vote, though they almost certainly lost the White vote (my guess would be by 5-7 points each). This is normally a Republican district, but I think Sharice Davids would be favored to win in 2018 (albeit more narrowly than she did IRL). Likely R.

KS-2: Republicans should normally get over 60% of the vote in this Wichita-based district. While T***p underperformed somewhat, it's not enough to make this district competitive even in 2018. Safe R.

KS-3: A fortiori, this is obviously Titanium R country. Safe R.



Thanks! I'll use this as a rough guide.

Do you know the source? Is it the same as Reagente's data?
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« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2020, 08:44:07 PM »

Connecticut



CT-1: Democrats are well-positioned here in this district stretching from the wealthy Gold Coast NYC suburbs to the core of the New Haven area, especially with the former's recent leftward trend. The large nonwhite share means that White voters there are more evenly split than the topline would suggest, however. Obama's margin probably hovered around 10 points here in 2012, and Hillary's was either the same or slightly lower. Likely D.

CT-2: By contrast, a White district anchored in Litchfield county will inevitably favor the GOP. Obama might have carried it in '08 (just barely if so), but he definitely lost it in '12, when Romney was just the perfect candidate for the region, and Hillary lost it by 5 points if not more. It's possible that a Democrat held the seat until 2014, owing to incumbency, but it definitely flipped that year and I'm not even sure it flipped back in 2018. Likely R.

CT-3: Eastern CT has had the most brutal Republican trend in the state, and it has probably thrown what was otherwise a reliably Democratic district into contention. Obama won by double digits here in 2008, and still by 5 points or so in 2012. In 2016 though, it was probably very close. Joe Courtney would probably still be reelected fairly easily as long as he runs, though. Tossup.

CT-4: The Hartford-based seat is easily the most Democratic in the state. Obama won there by about 20 points in 2008, and still probably 15 or so in 2012. Hillary underperformed in comparison, but she's probably still somewhere in the double digits, and Republicans wouldn't have much of a bench to field here. Safe D.
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« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2020, 03:47:17 PM »

Well, I'm glad this thread is generating so much interest all of a sudden, and I don't mind you posting your own maps in this thread, but as far as I'm concerned, I've already drawn all the districts and I'm not really interested in changing them unless a specific issue with my own maps is brought to my attention. What's left for me, and the reason this thread is going fairly slowly, is making guesses about their politics. So tbh I'd rather get input on that than on the maps themselves.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2020, 05:39:10 PM »

Well, I'm glad this thread is generating so much interest all of a sudden, and I don't mind you posting your own maps in this thread, but as far as I'm concerned, I've already drawn all the districts and I'm not really interested in changing them unless a specific issue with my own maps is brought to my attention. What's left for me, and the reason this thread is going fairly slowly, is making guesses about their politics. So tbh I'd rather get input on that than on the maps themselves.
You already drew all of them? Ah, good.
I could draw them all on a map for you...

Already done that too. Tongue
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