Why does the future always have to be liberal?

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It's not, the south was far more reactionary about slavery in 1860 than it was in 1800.

Yes, circumstances such as the Northwest ordinance and isolation of slavery in southern states, or Germany losing WW1 can hinder the process... but most societies progress in periods of prosperity.

The US was more conservative in the 80s 90s and 00s than 30s 40s 50s

For whom? My great grandparents were sharecroppers in the 1930s ffs.

He doesn't mean civil rights. He means economic policy given his track record.

Civil Rights arent a left right issue


There were many conservatives who were staunch supporter of Civil rights, while their were liberals who opposed it .

Name three of either.

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Hope.

[Badger]

It's not, the south was far more reactionary about slavery in 1860 than it was in 1800.

Yes, circumstances such as the Northwest ordinance and isolation of slavery in southern states, or Germany losing WW1 can hinder the process... but most societies progress in periods of prosperity.

The US was more conservative in the 80s 90s and 00s than 30s 40s 50s

For whom? My great grandparents were sharecroppers in the 1930s ffs.

He doesn't mean civil rights. He means economic policy given his track record.

Civil Rights arent a left right issue


There were many conservatives who were staunch supporter of Civil rights, while their were liberals who opposed it .

Name three of either.

Conservative: Richard Nixon , Howard Baker , even Barry Goldwater (he voted for 1957,1960 CRA while LBJ watered them down)


Liberal : Robert Byrd

Nixon? The man who founded the "Southern strategy"? Maybe. Baker as a conservative vs. a moderate is rather a stretch, as he's the definition of the former. Even he ran against the CRA when he first ran for senate in 1964. And Goldwater? The man who made fighting the REAL 1964 CRA act the centerpiece of his campaign, plus voting against EVERY single piece of civil rights legislation to every come down the pike (VRA, etc. etc. etc.)? Uncompelling examples all around, particularly that last one.

I'll give you Byrd. Until looking at Wikipedia just now I thought he'd abandoned opposition to Civil Rights legislation much earlier than he actually did.

Any others to name among the "many" such liberals you claim exist, though?

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It's not, the south was far more reactionary about slavery in 1860 than it was in 1800.

Yes, circumstances such as the Northwest ordinance and isolation of slavery in southern states, or Germany losing WW1 can hinder the process... but most societies progress in periods of prosperity.

The US was more conservative in the 80s 90s and 00s than 30s 40s 50s

For whom? My great grandparents were sharecroppers in the 1930s ffs.

He doesn't mean civil rights. He means economic policy given his track record.

Civil Rights arent a left right issue


There were many conservatives who were staunch supporter of Civil rights, while their were liberals who opposed it .

Name three of either.

Conservative: Richard Nixon , Howard Baker , even Barry Goldwater (he voted for 1957,1960 CRA while LBJ watered them down)


Liberal : Robert Byrd

Nixon? The man who founded the "Southern strategy"? Maybe. Baker as a conservative vs. a moderate is rather a stretch, as he's the definition of the former. Even he ran against the CRA when he first ran for senate in 1964. And Goldwater? The man who made fighting the REAL 1964 CRA act the centerpiece of his campaign, plus voting against EVERY single piece of civil rights legislation to every come down the pike (VRA, etc. etc. etc.)? Uncompelling examples all around, particularly that last one.

I'll give you Byrd. Until looking at Wikipedia just now I thought he'd abandoned opposition to Civil Rights legislation much earlier than he actually did.

Any others to name among the "many" such liberals you claim exist, though?

Goldwater wasnt even in the Senate during the time the Voting Rights act passed : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater

and voted for every other civil rights act(1957,1960)


If you count Goldwater as anti civil rights , Al Gore Sr counts too

You are factually incorrect. Goldwater voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and stridently campaign against it when running for president. The only voted for those prior civil rights bills after he did supported highly restrictive amendments to them that water them down to the point of uselessness. The fact that he was one of the few non Southern Republicans to oppose the actual, real bona fide, Civil Rights bill, passed in 1964 speaks volumes. Don't be pedantic.