Virginia megathread

[Badger]

Where are all the libs calling for Northam's head? Surprising lack of red avatars, a few clowns even called this fake news! Hypocritical left stays hypocritical

Have you literally not reax this thread? There are TONS of red avs calling cor Northram to resign.

You are either, deluded, dishonest, or illiterate. Which?

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I was torn in my post from 90 seconds ago. For the reasons stated Darien, North absolutely positively unquestionably needs to go

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Loses support of one of the statewides.

The rats are abandoning ship. The democratic establishment here is in full turmoil and here I am having the time of my life, having the privilege to watch this unfold bwhahahahahahaha.

Hitler quote her is just sad that a republican didn't do this. That way he could rally around and say how it's just PC culture from the lives tearing stuff down. Now that the Democrats are actually tearing this dude down, it makes him boo hoo hoo

Good choice mods! This man truly enlivens are Atlas culture

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Fyi, this kind of racist bs is classic mid 80s VMI.

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Looking increasingly likely that Northam was not in the photo and idiot partisans jumped to conclusions again. The blackface was done by a friend with the same pair of pants as are in a different photo. This friend is shorter than Northam. As Klan LARPer is shorter than cool pants friend in blackface, this proves NORTHAM is INNOCENT!

Citation needed. I'm serious. How is it becoming increasingly likely? If so, obviously this changes everything, but I have a hard time believing that after his near admission to the matter the day before he declined resigning.

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It should of been Tom Perriello.

I almost empty post this an agreement, but then realize it's someone previous in this thread pointed out that because of Northram's close ties with the legislature, he succeeded in Medicaid expansion in a way perriello might not've.

Perhaps northrim was the right guy at the right time, whose time has clearly passed.

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More reluctantly to be sure,  I believe they'd be politically forced to do so.

Remember, there was relatively little resistance to Franken resigning even though it would trigger a special election with a non-incumbent. Admittedly thats not the same risk as a given change in control like fuzzys scenario, but a tangible risk for a state that considerably trended R in recent elections. And yet there was little resistance.

Compare this to the man the barricades attitude the Republicans threw down with in a senate race in freaking ALABAMA, which shouldve been a far less contested race than the MN Special Senate race.

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They’d still be demanding that he resign (and I certainly would), you guys don’t seem to understand that the condemnation of Northam is coming from a genuine place in contrast to the Republican condemnations of Steve King whose racism was apparently fine by the GOP until he used the term “white supremicist.”  Just because the Republican party happily gives Trump a free pass on being a racist, misogynistic bigot who pals around with anti-Semites like Steve Bannon doesn’t mean that no one on the Democratic side talks like a preacher b/c they go to church every Sunday with respect to these sorts of issues.  This thread honestly reads like OP twisting himself in knots and grasping at straws to find some sort of “Democrats are the real hypocrites angle here.”  And speaking of hypocrisy, where was the Virginia Republican Party’s concern about racism when Corey Stewart was nominated for Senate last year?

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They’d still be demanding that he resign (and I certainly would), you guys don’t seem to understand that the condemnation of Northam is coming from a genuine place in contrast to the Republican condemnations of Steve King whose racism was apparently fine by the GOP until he used the term “white supremicist.”  Just because the Republican party happily gives Trump a free pass on being a racist, misogynistic bigot who pals around with anti-Semites like Steve Bannon doesn’t mean that no one on the Democratic side talks like a preacher b/c they go to church every Sunday with respect to these sorts of issues.  This thread honestly reads like OP twisting himself in knots and grasping at straws to find some sort of “Democrats are the real hypocrites angle here.”  And speaking of hypocrisy, where was the Virginia Republican Party’s concern about racism when Corey Stewart was nominated for Senate last year?

I know it's bad form usually too double down on empty quoting one is already joined in on, but a thought came to me and it seems best attached to this post.

If Republicans and conservatives here are really that insistent that Democrats are no more adverse to racist Behavior than Republicans and would rally around one of their own who committed deeply disturbing racist actions like Governor Northram if control of the Governor's Mansion was at stake just like ( the argument implicitly holds) Republicans would, at very least acknowledge Democrats would be far far less likely to if only for the political realities of its coalition.

Unlike Republicans, African Americans make up an important part of its electoral constituency, even more so in Virginia than Nationwide. Even by the most realpolitik standards it would be Beyond difficult to the point of just impossible for the Democratic party as a whole to try to say with a straight face to African American voters and leaders that this s*** was okay because the Dude is now a Democrat. Republicans of course have explicitly given up on all but the most incidental and hardcore Republican voters in the African American community in order to double down on its white resentment voters, and that's do not have remotely the same internal political pressures to cut someone loose for this kind of behavior.

So even if you are unwilling to acknowledge that a significant reason many white Democrats choose to be Democrats is they are far less likely than Republicans to Define this type of behavior anything less than deplorable, let alone acceptable, at least put your projection aside for the moment and acknowledge Democrats would have enormous difficulties excusing Northram's behavior to the substantial number of black voters and politicians in its Coalition, particularly in Virginia.

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As if Democrats haven't done the same...

They have not.

Need I remind you of the Kavanaugh hearings?

Well founded allegations versus non credible allegations art related to Party politics. You really are a hack.

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Oh my God. Watching fuzzy and katharina twist themselves into knots having to create hypotheticals because Democrats are actually walking the walk when one of their own commits misconduct they criticized Republicans for... Beautiful

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https://wtvr.com/2019/02/04/justin-fairfax-claim/

Edit: I believe every women should have their voices heard.

Sure, that's absolutely true of you. More hypocrisy and this time over an unsubstantiated claim.

At the risk of sounding like an MRA, "Believe all women" sounds very good as a slogan, but isn't feasible in real life because of cases like this. That being said, if further evidence comes to light, Fairfax should step down, and if necessary, be prosecuted.

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Let's get three two plus two equals four facts straight here. First, by any reasonable assessment , that is someone not looking at this through the lens of a complete political hack, the allegations against Kavanaugh were vastly more credible then this one currently appears. It's not an issue of Party politics, just simply not being ignorant hack trying to prove a non-existent point. We can go right down the list of the multiple additional accusers against Cavanaugh whom Grassley suppress from testifying, the best friend who could supposedly verify who was in the room, to the calendar about drinking with squi, etc etc. Even if you don't believe such allegations,  any non hack  absolutely has to concede that this  clean  is  nowhere near  as  strong  as a simple matter of fact. If you truly believe that this account, such as it is, is truly equivalent to that presented against Cavanaugh, you are either ignorant or a complete right-wing hack rather than remotely impartial.

Secondly, let's get it straight here. If and I repeat if, these allegations against Fairfax ever grow to being even close to his credible as those against Kavanaugh, 90 to 95 + percent of Democrats will call for him to step aside. Sorry, but while Democrats may not be perfect they are a million times more ready to walk the walk on this stuff than you because we actually believe in this stuff. Franken, Governor Northam, Conyers, reassessing Bill Clinton. As much as you want to just project and say it's all politics and just going after our guy rather than any actual principle. You are the party that openly embraced and even defended as your candidate for president a guy who has over 30 women who have publicly come forward to accuse him of sexual assault, who has bragged about just walk him to women and grab them by the pussy and getting away with it because he's famous, and even brag on national TV about barging into the dressing room of beauty pageants he was in charge of to Ogle half naked and naked women and teenagers because he could get away with it. You were the party that decided allegations of sexual misconduct against prominent Republican politicians are presumed to be hit jobs by democrats and the liberal media and defend them accordingly. You are the folks that have pretty much disparage the whole me-too movement as feminist over-reach. You are the ones that let your defense of overwhelming evidence of trump being a serial poster boy for the me-too movement has let you into a recurring pattern of deny deny minimize deny. And then claimed yourself so you can not feel Solace, both sides are equally to blame and it's all politics yada yada yada. Don't ever ever look yourself in the mirror and tell yourself both sides do it and are just the same. You are just plain factually wrong.

I guess that bleeds into my third point, but the third fact here is the reaction of rape apologist posts throughout this thread make it so clear how the incel neckbeard internet Warrior demographic has become an actual tangible part of the Republican coalition. Though to be fair the right-wing in cell crowd is always been Prime source of the atlas right

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Let's get three two plus two equals four facts straight here. First, by any reasonable assessment , that is someone not looking at this through the lens of a complete political hack, the allegations against Kavanaugh were vastly more credible then this one currently appears. It's not an issue of Party politics, just simply not being ignorant hack trying to prove a non-existent point. We can go right down the list of the multiple additional accusers against Cavanaugh whom Grassley suppress from testifying, the best friend who could supposedly verify who was in the room, to the calendar about drinking with squi, etc etc. Even if you don't believe such allegations,  any non hack  absolutely has to concede that this  clean  is  nowhere near  as  strong  as a simple matter of fact. If you truly believe that this account, such as it is, is truly equivalent to that presented against Cavanaugh, you are either ignorant or a complete right-wing hack rather than remotely impartial.

Secondly, let's get it straight here. If and I repeat if, these allegations against Fairfax ever grow to being even close to his credible as those against Kavanaugh, 90 to 95 + percent of Democrats will call for him to step aside. Sorry, but while Democrats may not be perfect they are a million times more ready to walk the walk on this stuff than you because we actually believe in this stuff. Franken, Governor Northam, Conyers, reassessing Bill Clinton. As much as you want to just project and say it's all politics and just going after our guy rather than any actual principle. You are the party that openly embraced and even defended as your candidate for president a guy who has over 30 women who have publicly come forward to accuse him of sexual assault, who has bragged about just walk him to women and grab them by the pussy and getting away with it because he's famous, and even brag on national TV about barging into the dressing room of beauty pageants he was in charge of to Ogle half naked and naked women and teenagers because he could get away with it. You were the party that decided allegations of sexual misconduct against prominent Republican politicians are presumed to be hit jobs by democrats and the liberal media and defend them accordingly. You are the folks that have pretty much disparage the whole me-too movement as feminist over-reach. You are the ones that let your defense of overwhelming evidence of trump being a serial poster boy for the me-too movement has let you into a recurring pattern of deny deny minimize deny. And then claimed yourself so you can not feel Solace, both sides are equally to blame and it's all politics yada yada yada. Don't ever ever look yourself in the mirror and tell yourself both sides do it and are just the same. You are just plain factually wrong.

I guess that bleeds into my third point, but the third fact here is the reaction of rape apologist posts throughout this thread make it so clear how the incel neckbeard internet Warrior demographic has become an actual tangible part of the Republican coalition. Though to be fair the right-wing in cell crowd is always been Prime source of the atlas right

It is simply not true at all that Kavanuagh's accusers were more credible. WE NEVER EVEN ESTABLISHED THEY KNEW EACH OTHER.

On the other hand, we know for a fact that tyson and fairfax were in the same hotel room at the 2004 dnc.

That alone makes this case more compelling, imo. Nevertheless, zero corroboration means I cannot arrive at the conclusion that he assaulted her.

But the bigger point is this: what the hell happened to you people and your "believe all women" crap?

As someone who put it earlier, all women deserve to be heard., glad you outright believe it's crap though

So yeah, I said that one can't buy this as being equally credible unless someone is a complete political hack. Enter Marty stage right.

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Oh my God. Watching fuzzy and katharina twist themselves into knots having to create hypotheticals because Democrats are actually walking the walk when one of their own commits misconduct they criticized Republicans for... Beautiful

A clean sweep of the bronz medals in mental gymnastics indeed.

/thread

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Let's get three two plus two equals four facts straight here. First, by any reasonable assessment , that is someone not looking at this through the lens of a complete political hack, the allegations against Kavanaugh were vastly more credible then this one currently appears. It's not an issue of Party politics, just simply not being ignorant hack trying to prove a non-existent point. We can go right down the list of the multiple additional accusers against Cavanaugh whom Grassley suppress from testifying, the best friend who could supposedly verify who was in the room, to the calendar about drinking with squi, etc etc. Even if you don't believe such allegations,  any non hack  absolutely has to concede that this  clean  is  nowhere near  as  strong  as a simple matter of fact. If you truly believe that this account, such as it is, is truly equivalent to that presented against Cavanaugh, you are either ignorant or a complete right-wing hack rather than remotely impartial.

Secondly, let's get it straight here. If and I repeat if, these allegations against Fairfax ever grow to being even close to his credible as those against Kavanaugh, 90 to 95 + percent of Democrats will call for him to step aside. Sorry, but while Democrats may not be perfect they are a million times more ready to walk the walk on this stuff than you because we actually believe in this stuff. Franken, Governor Northam, Conyers, reassessing Bill Clinton. As much as you want to just project and say it's all politics and just going after our guy rather than any actual principle. You are the party that openly embraced and even defended as your candidate for president a guy who has over 30 women who have publicly come forward to accuse him of sexual assault, who has bragged about just walk him to women and grab them by the pussy and getting away with it because he's famous, and even brag on national TV about barging into the dressing room of beauty pageants he was in charge of to Ogle half naked and naked women and teenagers because he could get away with it. You were the party that decided allegations of sexual misconduct against prominent Republican politicians are presumed to be hit jobs by democrats and the liberal media and defend them accordingly. You are the folks that have pretty much disparage the whole me-too movement as feminist over-reach. You are the ones that let your defense of overwhelming evidence of trump being a serial poster boy for the me-too movement has let you into a recurring pattern of deny deny minimize deny. And then claimed yourself so you can not feel Solace, both sides are equally to blame and it's all politics yada yada yada. Don't ever ever look yourself in the mirror and tell yourself both sides do it and are just the same. You are just plain factually wrong.

I guess that bleeds into my third point, but the third fact here is the reaction of rape apologist posts throughout this thread make it so clear how the incel neckbeard internet Warrior demographic has become an actual tangible part of the Republican coalition. Though to be fair the right-wing in cell crowd is always been Prime source of the atlas right

It is simply not true at all that Kavanuagh's accusers were more credible. WE NEVER EVEN ESTABLISHED THEY KNEW EACH OTHER.

On the other hand, we know for a fact that tyson and fairfax were in the same hotel room at the 2004 dnc.

That alone makes this case more compelling, imo. Nevertheless, zero corroboration means I cannot arrive at the conclusion that he assaulted her.

But the bigger point is this: what the hell happened to you people and your "believe all women" crap?

As someone who put it earlier, all women deserve to be heard., glad you outright believe it's crap though

So yeah, I said that one can't buy this as being equally credible unless someone is a complete political hack. Enter Marty stage right.

Considering how much of a hack you are, how is your dismissal of anyone disagreeing with your hack views credible? So if 2 liars come out today with no evidence that Fairfax raped them, they are now just as credible as the liars against Kavanaugh because 3 = 3? Thats a stupid argument.

To dust off another dumb dem argument from last fall "Why would she lie" about Fairfax? Checkmate.

Yes, I know Badger "Dem good Pub bad therefore false equivalency derp derp".

That's... Not.. No. That's not remotely anything close to what I said.

What planet are you from?

Again, on paper the allegations against Cavanaugh were markedly more serious than this. I'm not disregarding these yet, and if they grow to as much credibility is those against camera I and many others on the left will be among the first to tell Fairfax you got to go. That's the difference

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The key difference is that Blasey Ford told a therapist about the attack years before Kavanaugh even was nominated for the court. Besides that when papers decide not to run a story it is usually for a good reason.

Vanessa Tyson has described herself as a survivor since 2005 when she began a symposium on sexual violence.

That's not good enough to run a story without corroboration or at least other incidents of similar behavior compare to.

It is, however, somewhat telling.

I'd really like to hear what Tyson has to say here.

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Fairfax was unwise to reference wapo and claim they found red flags when they didn’t

Now people know there was potentially a story

This.

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Oh my God. Watching fuzzy and katharina twist themselves into knots having to create hypotheticals because Democrats are actually walking the walk when one of their own commits misconduct they criticized Republicans for... Beautiful

Here comes Badger again, showing himself as the staunch liberal Democrat that he is. You haven't bothered to answer the question either.

Your posts are so ridiculously predictable , that you failed to notice I posted not one, but two answers in this page and 1/2 thread alone. Fail.

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https://twitter.com/ryanobles/status/1092526078969765890

I understand his motivation, but how does he achieve such a goal? Especially in his current predicament?

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As if Democrats haven't done the same...

They have not.

Need I remind you of the Kavanaugh hearings?

The difference is that Dr. Ford's attempted rape allegations were extremely credible and more likely than not true, as were a second woman's (Deborah Ramirez was her name IIRC) sexual assault allegations against Kavanaugh.  There's a big difference between saying a would-be rapist facing extremely credible allegations of both attempted rape and sexual assault does not belong on the Supreme Court and making up false allegations to try to smear a political opponent.

Just curious, what makes allegations credible?

Depends on who is being accused

No. Not at all. The strawman right-wingers like you set up this whole matter to justify supporting Bonafide rapists as president and Supreme Court Justices, Plus deciding that allegations against prominent Republicans are rebuttably presumed as false smears by the Democrats and liberal media, is all very telling.

You can project your whole sexual assault allegations are 90% political BS all you want. The reality here on how red avatars and other liberals have responded is really really different. And God do you hate that.

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Is all of America really turning into a tv show




Ugh

It's the left. Politicians always had mistresses. Nobody cared. A dance contest 35 years ago? Who would have thought?

They're ransacking the past and trying to create this "pure" world, that doesn't exist, never did, and never will. Everyone will always have something to hold against them.

Leave them alone and let them do their god damn job. Enough.

Thanks for being the first person in a week to say something even more stupid than Fairfax and Northram.

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What makes her claim different than Blasey Ford’s?

Neither involved corroboration.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dyk9tPoXQAA64cV?format=jpg&name=small

She's making an allegation against Fairfax when he was an adult.

She knows when and where the alleged assault occurred.

Fairfax admits to spending the night with her.

They're members of the same political party, so this would not be a partisan smear.

There is an accurate record of her trying to contact someone about it by name before magical career elevating event occurred.

Cite?

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What makes her claim different than Blasey Ford’s?

Neither involved corroboration.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dyk9tPoXQAA64cV?format=jpg&name=small

She's making an allegation against Fairfax when he was an adult.

She knows when and where the alleged assault occurred.

Fairfax admits to spending the night with her.

They're members of the same political party, so this would not be a partisan smear.

There is an accurate record of her trying to contact someone about it by name before magical career elevating event occurred.

Cite?

Uhh, I'm speaking of the fact that she contacted the Washington Post about this more than a year ago as they have confirmed. The first mention of his name was not all of a sudden when Ralph Northam was about to resign allowing Fairfax to ascend. There is no conceivable motive to spread false rumours about a powerless lieutenant governor who was not even considered the obvious 'next in line' to be governor. It would be a bit sketchy if the first mention of his name was yesterday as he was potentially ascending to the governorship and the Democratic Party was trying to determine if the guy in front of him needed to step down on a quick timeline. But yesterday was not the first mention of this by name. We have a record.

Sorry. Misunderstood.

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I think one thing this story has taught me is that we need to slow down our reactions. We have become a society that demands things to change instantly without giving time to analyze all the facts. I myself am at fault in being a part of a society that pushes this narrative. If these allegations are true, the Lt. Gov. must resign. But we need to have some time to allow more information to evolve given that we still know so little. The idea that a massive conspiracy is happening right now needs to be thrown aside until evidence is given. Sensationalizing situations like this isn't helpful.

The thing that gets me is that she went to several media outlets a year ago none of them ran with it. If I'm her, really not wanting to see my assaulter rise to prominence further I'd immediately go public. Whether it be a press conference, twitter, video, FB post whatever but she let it go... Now a year later she levies the accusation except in a private Facebook post that she intended to be passed around. And this post has no names only inneundo which implicates her assaulter but doesn't directly name him. The way she's going about this is what's bothering me the most.

You personally might, but it's entirely conceivable if not probable that others may not, especially when the mainstream media refused to run their allegations.