List of Alternate Presidents

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I know there are no many Turtledove fans there, but I just love is short story "Joe Steele", in which Stalin has been born in California, after his parents left Georgia, became Democratic Congressman and won 1932 presidential nomination, following removing Governor Roosevelt from his way. He and his-running mate, House Speaker Garner, eaisly won an election against unpopular Hoover. President Steele succesfully recovered the economy with New Deal, and also... founded prison camp in Alaska and give FBI under his close ally J. Edgar Hoover leadership nearly NKVD-esque power. President Steele led the country thought World War II, oversaw rising of the U.S. as a world power and chief enemy of Trotsky-led USSR. He died as in OTL in 1953, following being "reelected" to sixth term. Garner assumed the office, but was quickly deposed and executed by Hoover, who takes the White House.

There's my guess what's next.

31st: Herbet C. Hoover (R-CA), 1929-1933
32nd: Joe Steele (D-CA), 1933-1953
33rd: John N. Garner (D-TX), 1953
34th: J. Edgar Hoover (?-DC), 1953-1972
35th: Allen J. Ellender (D-LA), 1972
36th: James O. Eastland (D-MS), 1972-1974
37th: George S. Brown (M-NJ), 1975-1977
38th: Walter F. Mondale (L-MN), 1977-1985
39th: John Chafee (L-RI), 1985-1989
40th: Robert J. Dole (C-KS), 1989-1997
41st: John F. Kerry (L-MA), 1997-2005
42nd: John S. McCain (C-AZ), 2005-present

34th: Died in office
35th: President pro tempore of the Senate and most senior surviving official in the line of succesion following Hoover last purge. Died soon as well
36th: Eastland, another President pro tempore, isolated within a Party due to his racism and segregationism (as Steele/Hoover regime never was racially motivated), has been outsed after less than 2 years of Presidency
37th: General Brown, chief of joint chief, staged a coup and outsed President Eastland. He retored a Democracy and called an election for 1977. Democratic Party has been banned (Republican was banned in 1930s). Two new parties emerged: Liberal and Conservative
38th: First Democraticly elected President since, well, Joe Steele
39th: Defeated for reelection
40th: 

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Another Three Party List!

Robert M. LaFollette Sr. (WI)/Hiram Johnson (CA) (Progressive) 1913-1921
Frank O. Lowden (IA)/Charlie Curtis (KS) (Republican) 1921-1923*
Charlie Curtis (KS) 1923-1925/James W. Taylor (TN) (Republican) 1923-1929
William P. A. Rogers (OK)/Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. (MA) (Democratic) 1929-1933
Burton K. Wheeler (MT)/Robert M. LaFollette Jr. (WI) (Progressive) 1933-1941
Robert M. LaFollette Jr. (WI)/Harold Hagen (MN) (Progressive) 1941-1949
Douglas MacArthur (AR)/Harold Stassen (MN) (Republican) 1949-1957
Albert Gore Sr. (TN)/Robert F. Wagner (NY) (Democratic) 1957-1963*
Robert F. Wagner (NY)/George A. Smathers (FL) (Democratic) 1963-1969
Pat Brown (CA)/Edward W. Brooke (MA) (Republican) 1969-1972*
Edward W. Brooke (MA)/John Chafee (RI) (Republican) 1972-1977
Fred Harris (OK)/Mike Gravel (AK) (Progressive) 1977-1981
Edward M. Kennedy (MA)/Robert William Barker (WA) (Democratic) 1981*
Robert William Barker (WA)/Gary Hart (CO) (Democratic) 1981-1989
Gary Hart (CO)/Al Gore (TN) (Democratic) 1989-1993
Paul Tsongas (MA)/Clint Eastwood (CA) (Republican) 1993-1997*
Clint Eastwood (CA)/William Clinton (AR) (Republican) 1997-2005
Russ Feingold (WI)/Maria Cantwell (WA) (Progressive) 2005-2009
William M. Hicks (AR)/David S. Mustaine (CA) (Republican) 2009-present

Notes:
1. Lowden dies from stroke. Many speculate he might've been poisoned.
2. Gore Sr. gets assasinated by Lee Harvey Oswald while in Dallas.
3. Pat Brown gets downed by Arthur Bremer.
4. Ted Kennedy gets pwnd by John Hinckley Jr. Vice President Robert Barker takes over.
5. Paul Tsongas dies from liver failure two days before inauguration. His Vice President, Clint Eastwood, would become president.

Another Maria Cantwell, just sweet!

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2005-current : George Washington Bush (E-Texas) / Rick Cleatus Cheney (E-Idaho)

What's that?

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Double Assassination
JFK and LBJ ride in the same limo on November 22, 1963 and are killed by Lee Harvey Oswald.

35.  John F. Kennedy (D) January 20, 1961-November 22, 1963*
36.  John McCormack (D) November 22, 1963-January 20, 1965
37.  Robert Kennedy (D) January 20, 1965-January 20, 1969
38.  Richard Nixon (R) January 20, 1969-April 10, 1972*
39.  Spiro Agnew (R) April 10, 1972-November 11, 1973*
40.  John Volpe (R) November 11, 1973-January 20, 1977
41.  Jerry Brown (D) January 20, 1977-January 20, 1981
42.  Ronald Reagan (R) January 20, 1981-January 20, 1989
43.  Robert Dole (R) January 20, 1989-January 20, 1993
44.  Albert Gore, Jr. (D) January 20, 1993-January 20, 2001
45.  Robert Graham (D) January 20, 2001-September 19, 2001*
46.  Bill Richardson (D) September 19, 2001-January 20, 2009*
47.  Jeb Bush (R) January 20, 2009-present

36.  Took over after the JFK-LBJ assassination but elected not to run in 1964.  (Needless to say, several high ranking Secret Service officials resigned in the aftermath of the double assassination)
38.  Killed by Arthur Bremer during a campaign stop.
39.  Forced to resign after his tax evasion became public.
45.  Killed when a hijacked plane hit the White House.
46.  First Hispanic president.  He does well enough to be reelected, but between Katrina and the economy, his vice-president, John Kerry, loses in 2008.

Welcome to the Forum Good list

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RFK Lives

37. Robert F. Kennedy (Democrat - New York) 1969-1977

And I was criticized for too many Democratic terms

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RFK Lives

37. Robert F. Kennedy (Democrat - New York) 1969-1977

And I was criticized for too many Democratic terms

I actually think this would have happened. It's not very different from real life, I just party switched all the presidents from 1968 onward.

4 Democratic consensutive terms?

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Arutyunian threw a grenade that worked

43rd: George W. Bush (R-TX), January 20, 2001 - May 10, 2005
44th: Richard B. Cheney (R-WY), May 10, 2005 - November 9, 2006
45th: John E. Bush (R-FL), November 9, 2006 - January 20, 2009
46th: Albert A. Gore (D-TN), January 20, 2009 - present

43rd: Assassinated in Tbilisi, Georgia
44th: Assumed the Presidency, died on massive heart attack following Republican Party defeat in the congressional elections
45th: Brother of assassinated President, appointed V.P. by Cheney, whom he succeeded. Defeated for his own term
46th: Gore decided to run and win in landslide over another Bush, plagued by economic collapse and situation abroad

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POD: Rockefeller appointed V.P. by Nixon

37th: Richard M. Nixon (R-CA), 1969-1974
38th: Nelson A. Rockefeller (R-NY), 1974-1975
39th: George H. W. Bush (R-TX), 1975-1981
40th: Walter F. Mondale (D-MN), 1981-1989
41st: Robert J. Dole (R-KS), 1989-1997
42nd: J. Robert Kerrey (D-NE), 1997-1999
43rd: William J. Clinton (D-AR), 1999-2001
44th: John E. Bush (R-FL), 2001-2005
45th: Larry E. Craig (R-ID), 2005-2006
46th: Judd A. Gregg (R-NH), 2006-2009
47th: Joseph R. Biden (D-DE), 2009-present

37th: Resigned
38th: Evelated to the Presidency, assassinated by Sarah Jane Moore
39th: Appointed V.P., elevated to the Presidency in 1975, elected in 1976 and defeated for reelection in 1980
42nd: Killed in a Air Force one crash over North Dakota
43rd: V.P. elevated to the Presidency. Defeated in 2000 due to sexual misconduct allegations
44th: Reelected in 2004, assassinated via grenade in Tbilisi, Georgia early in his second term
45th: V.P. elevated to the Presidency, forced to resing due to sexual misconduct allegantions
46th: Appointed V.P., elevated to the Presidency, defeated in 2008 

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28th President : Teddy Roosevelt (P-NY) / Hiram Johnson (P-CA) : 1913-1917
29th President : Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ) / Thomas R. Marshall (D-IN) : 1917-1925 * WW1 ends
30th President : Robert M. La Follette, Sr. (P-WI) / Burton Kendall Wheeler (P-MT) : 1925-1933 * Great Depression occurs
31st President : Calvin Coolidge (R-MA) / Arthur M. Hyde (R-MO) : 1933-1941
32nd President : Arthur M. Hyde (R-MO) / James Wolfenden (R-PA) : 1941-1949 * WW2 still occurs same way
33rd President : Harry Truman (D-MO) / George L. P. Radcliffe (D-MD) : 1949-1957)
34th President : Leverett Saltonstall (D-MA) / Robert Kerr (D-OK) : 1957-1961
35th President : Henry Dworshak (R-ID) / Gerald Ford (R-MI) : 1961-1963 *
36th President : Gerald Ford (R-MI) / Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) : 1963-1973 * Civil Rights movement occurs, segregation illegal
37th President : Robert F. Kennedy (D-NY) / Lee Metcalf (D-MT) : 1973-1976 *
38th President : Lee Metcalf (D-MT) / Lyndon Johnson (D-TX) : 1976-1978 *
39th President : Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX) / Rev. Martin Luther King JR (D-AL) : 1978-1981
40th President : John Danforth (R-MO) / Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA) : 1981-1989
41st President : George H.W. Bush (R-TX) / Chic Hecht (R-NV) : 1989-1993
42nd President : Ross Perot (P-TX) / James Stockdale (P-CA) : 1993-1994 * First Pres and VP Impeached.
43rd President : Tom Foley (D-WA) / Mario Cuomo (D-NY) : 1994-1997
44th President : Bob Dole (R-KS) / George W. Bush (R-TX) : 1997-2005
45TH President : Rudy Giuliani (R-NY) / Sam Brownback (R-KS) : 2005-2009
46th President : Bill Clinton (D-CA) /  Al Gore (D-TN) : 2009-current

Interesting list

For what did Perot and Stockdale impeached?

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also, for nay curious...

this is how Teddy could've won in 1912.

Taft carrying OK, NM

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The Rise of Old South (again)

37th: Richard M. Nixon (R-CA), January 20, 1969 - September 7, 1973

President Nixon resigned earlier from office

38th: Spiro T. Agnew (R-MD), September 7, 1973 - October 10, 1973

The second-briefest Presidency after W. H. Harrison so far. Vice President Agnew, already under an investigation, succeesed Nixon and month later himself was forced to go

39th: Carl B. Albert (D-OK), October 10, 1973 - October 15, 1973

And that was the briefest Presidency ever. Speaker Albert, due to lack of Vice President, succeesed Agnew, but before nomination (not to mention confirming) his V.P., he was intented to resign for as soon as he could, he fall down the stairs in the White House while heavily intoxinated and broken his neck. RIP.

40th: James O. Eastland (D-MS), October 15, 1973 - March 12, 1974

First President pro tempore of the Senate to assume the highest office via succession. An unrepeatent segregationist and racist, Eastland quickly tried to reverse everything done on civil rights field in last decade and pissed both Democrats and Republicans alike. In March 1974 he was officially kicked out the party

40th: James O. Eastland (I-MS), March 12, 1974 - October 2, 1974

After making another smilliar steps, President Eastland has been impeached and resigned minutes before the vote in Senate was to begun

41st: Thomas P. O'Neill (D-MA), October 2, 1974 - June 3, 1975

Speaker of the House, who assumed the Presidency as Congress did not confirmed Eastland choices for V.P. However, crisis was so deep that after little over half of a year in office, O'Neill was outsed by the military coup

42nd: Alexander M. Haig (M-PA), June 3, 1975 - January 20, 1981

General Haig, a leader of the military coup became the first authoritarian President in history

43rd: Richard B. Cheney (M-WY), January 20, 1981 - January 20, 1989

Although never served in a military, Cheney was Haig right-hand man, awarded by a rank of General. He thus became the second military President.

44th: Donald H. Rumsfeld (M-IL), January 20, 1989 - May 6, 1992

Another politician-turned-general. Overthroved by a blodless coup of civilian forces and some army elements.

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Who became President after Rumsfeld?

I'll post later

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The Rise of Old South (again)

37th: Richard M. Nixon (R-CA), January 20, 1969 - September 7, 1973

President Nixon resigned earlier from office

38th: Spiro T. Agnew (R-MD), September 7, 1973 - October 10, 1973

The second-briefest Presidency after W. H. Harrison so far. Vice President Agnew, already under an investigation, succeesed Nixon and month later himself was forced to go

39th: Carl B. Albert (D-OK), October 10, 1973 - October 15, 1973

And that was the briefest Presidency ever. Speaker Albert, due to lack of Vice President, succeesed Agnew, but before nomination (not to mention confirming) his V.P., he was intented to resign for as soon as he could, he fall down the stairs in the White House while heavily intoxinated and broken his neck. RIP.

40th: James O. Eastland (D-MS), October 15, 1973 - March 12, 1974

First President pro tempore of the Senate to assume the highest office via succession. An unrepeatent segregationist and racist, Eastland quickly tried to reverse everything done on civil rights field in last decade and pissed both Democrats and Republicans alike. In March 1974 he was officially kicked out the party

40th: James O. Eastland (I-MS), March 12, 1974 - October 2, 1974

After making another smilliar steps, President Eastland has been impeached and resigned minutes before the vote in Senate was to begun

41st: Thomas P. O'Neill (D-MA), October 2, 1974 - June 3, 1975

Speaker of the House, who assumed the Presidency as Congress did not confirmed Eastland choices for V.P. However, crisis was so deep that after little over half of a year in office, O'Neill was outsed by the military coup

42nd: Alexander M. Haig (M-PA), June 3, 1975 - January 20, 1981

General Haig, a leader of the military coup became the first authoritarian President in history

43rd: Richard B. Cheney (M-WY), January 20, 1981 - January 20, 1989

Although never served in a military, Cheney was Haig right-hand man, awarded by a rank of General. He thus became the second military President.

44th: Donald H. Rumsfeld (M-IL), January 20, 1989 - May 6, 1992

Another politician-turned-general. Overthroved by a blodless coup of civilian forces and some army elements.

Did Eastland commit some sort of Scandal? Because you can't be impeached just because your an unrepentant racist.

Ordering invigilation of severeal Black and White pro-civil rights figures

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Richard M. Nixon (R-NY) (1969-1989)

Lol

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Another lengh list

37th: Richard Nixon (R-CA), January 20, 1969 - September 21, 1973
38th: Spiro Agnew (R-MD), September 21, 1973 - December 14, 1973
39th: Carl Albert (D-OK), December 14, 1973 - March 5, 1974
40th: Gerald Ford (R-MI), March 5, 1974 - January 20, 1981
41st: Jerry Brown (D-CA), January 20, 1981 - January 20, 1989
42nd: Bob Dole (R-KS), January 20, 1989 - January 20, 1993
43rd: Al Gore (D-TN), January 20, 1993 - March 2, 1994
44th: Tom Harkin (D-IO), March 2, 1994 - January 20, 1997
45th: Lamar Alexander (R-TN), January 20, 1997 - January 20, 2005
46th: Howard Dean (D-VT), January 20, 2005 - May 10, 2005
47th: Joe Biden (D-DE), May 10, 2005 - present

37th: Resigned due to Watergate
38th: Succeeded, resigned due to corrpution
39th: Succeeded as House Speaker, resigned following Ford confirmation as V.P.
40th: Succeeded
42nd: Defeated for reeelection
43rd: Assassinated
44th: Succeeded, then defeated for reeelction
46th: Assassinated via grenade in Tbilisi
47th: Succeeded, then elected

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Hannibal!

15th: James Buchanan (D-PA), March 4, 1857 - March 4, 1861
16th: Hannibal Hamlin (R-ME), March 4, 1861 - March 4, 1865
17th: John C. Fremont (U-CA), March 4, 1865 - March 4, 1869
18th: John B. McClellan (D-NJ), March 4, 1869 - ...

16th: Inaugurated in a place of assassinated in Baltimore President-elect Abraham Lincoln, first Republican President. He pushed much more radical line in civil war. After severeal failures and edangered the D.C., Hamlin lost to an unusual coallition of Northern War Democrats and Radical Republicans, who abandoned their own President.

17th: President Fremont of the "Unity Party" succesfully defeated South in 1866, but chose not to seek Reelection due to coallition downfall.

18th: One of the most famed Civil War Generals, who captured Atlanta. Elected over Republican Benjamin Wade

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Hannibal!

15th: James Buchanan (D-PA), March 4, 1857 - March 4, 1861
16th: Hannibal Hamlin (R-ME), March 4, 1861 - March 4, 1865
17th: John C. Fremont (U-CA), March 4, 1865 - March 4, 1869
18th: John B. McClellan (D-NJ), March 4, 1869 - ...

16th: Inaugurated in a place of assassinated in Baltimore President-elect Abraham Lincoln, first Republican President. He pushed much more radical line in civil war. After severeal failures and edangered the D.C., Hamlin lost to an unusual coallition of Northern War Democrats and Radical Republicans, who abandoned their own President.

17th: President Fremont of the "Unity Party" succesfully defeated South in 1866, but chose not to seek Reelection due to coallition downfall.

18th: One of the most famed Civil War Generals, who captured Atlanta. Elected over Republican Benjamin Wade

Good, but it's George McClellan.

Thanks, I admitt I haven't check it before

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Glad to see you back with form, Lahbas

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Let's continue on the same idea, I will go with the list of Presidents from Tom Clancy novels. And to give ideas for alternate presidential ideas, here we go with this anthology...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_Presidents

The True Ryanverse:

42. George H. W. Bush (R - TX) : January, 20 1989 - January, 20 1993 *
43. Richard Frank "Dick" Celeste (D - OH) : January, 20 1993 - January, 25 1995 **
44. Edmund G. "Jerry" Brown (D - CA) : January, 25 1995 - January, 13 1996 ***
45. Robert Michael Gates (I - KS) : January, 13 1996 - January, 20 2001 ****
46. Melvin G. "Mel" Williams, Jr. (D - CA) : January, 20 2001 - October, 6 2002 *****
47. George J. Mitchell (D - ME) : October, 6 2002 - January, 20 2002
48. John Forbes Kerry (D - MA): January, 20 2005 - ... ******

*President during the events of Clear and Present Danger. His anti-drugs policy in Colombia, which OTL led to the assassination of Pablo Escobar, is greatly expanded.
** The Sum of All Fears. Former Governor of Ohio, he narrowly defeats Bush in the 1992 election. Accelerating the peace process in the Arab-Israeli conflict, he has to deal with the Palestinian nuclear terrorist attack during the Super Bowl in Denver, Colorado, that kills both Secretary of State Bob Kerrey and Secretary of Defence Lee Hamilton. In the brink of responding by a nuclear bombing against Russia, and later against Iran, he finally finds out the truth. Terrified upon what he almost did, he resigns.
*** Debt of Honor. Former Governor of California, came to the presidency after Celeste's resignation. Had to deal with a located military conflict with Japan in the Pacific. After his Vice President, John Kerry, resigned due to a sex scandal, he appointed Independant National Security Advisor Robert Gates as his vice-President. Would die in the storming of the Capitol by a Japanese airliner during a Joint Session of Congress, along with the entire cabinet and Congress.
**** Executive Orders, The Tiger and the Dragon. Confirmed only moments before the Capitol storming, long CIA collaborator and National Security Advisor Gates has to deal with the political dealings of former VP Kerry and biological attacks from the newly formed United Islamic Republic (Iran and Irak). After securing his own term as a joint Independant and bipartisan candidate, he later deals with a crisis between China and Russia. He refused to sought a second term on his own.
***** Longtime friend of Gates, Vice Admiral Williams became his VP at the 1996 election and succeeded him as POTUS, becoming the first African American President. He is assassinated by a KKK activist in Mississippi.
****** Brown's first VP, resigning following a sex scandal, Kerry managed to challenge Mitchell during the 2004 Democratic Convention and later won the election.

Very good interpretation (as Andy's as well) .

I'll try do something smilliar as well.

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The Great Depression and the End of Freedom:

Yes, thanks for revealing presidential list before you really started your TL

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While I hate this crappy TV series (only character worth to watch is the one played by Donald Sutherland), there's a hypothetical RL commander-in-chief:

43rd: George W. Bush (R-TX), 2001-2009
44th: Pete Wilson (R-CA), 2009-2010
45th: Olympia Snowe (I-ME), 2010-present

With lack of good candidated for Bridges role, I go with Wilson, and with a lack of good candidate for Republican-Turned-Independent Allen I go with Snowe.

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Neocon Democrats

POD: Henry Jackson is elected President in 1976, and what we refer to as neoconservatism becomes a tenet of the Left, leading to a 'neolibertarian' Democratic Party and a populistic Republican Party.  On Jackson's coattails, Elmo Zumwalt is elected to the Senate from Virginia in 1976.

39. Henry "Scoop" Jackson/Jimmy Carter (D): 1977-1985
40. Jimmy Carter/Elmo Zumwalt (D): 1985-1989
41. H. Ross Perot/Bob Dole (R) 1989-1993
42. Bill Clinton/R. James Woolsey (D) 1993-2001
43. Lou Dobbs/Dana Rohrabacher (R) 2001-2005
44. Joe Lieberman/Tom Ridge (D) 2005-Present.

Suidice...

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30st: Calvin Coolidge (R-MA), 1923-1933
31st: Charles Curtis (R-KS), 1933
32nd: Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY), 1933-1941[/color
33rd Cordell Hull (D-TN), 1941-1949
34th: Thomas Dewey (R-NY), 1949-1950
35th: Styles Bridges (R-NH), 1951-1957
36th: Adlai E. Stevenson (D-IL), 1957-1965
37th: Albert Gore, Sr. (D-TN), 1965-1969
38th: James Rhodes (R-OH), 1969-1973
39th: Hubert Humphrey (D-MN), 1973-1978
40th: Jimmy Carter (D-GA), 1978-1985
41st: Bob Dole (R-KS), 1985-1993
42nd: Albert Gore, Jr. (D-TN), 1993-1997
43rd: Theodore Bundy (R-WA), 1997-2005
44th: Sam Brownback (R-KS), 2005-2009
45th: Russ Feingold (D-WI), 2008-present

30th: Run for third term. Became the most hated President in U.S. history due to his inactivity during depression. Died near very end of his term
31st: Succeeded. First Native American President, served just about two months
32nd: Declined to run for third term
34th: Assassinated by Puerto-Rico Independence activists
37th: Defeated for reelection
38th: Defeated for reelection
40th: Succeeded the Presidency
42nd: Defetated for reelection.
43rd: Formerly a famous lawyer and two-term Governor of Washington, moderate-to-conservative Republican. In 2009 outrageous timeline has been posted on obscure Atlas Forum about "alternate" live of President Bundy, in which he became most famous serial killer instead and died in Florida electic chair in 1989.   
44th: Defeated for reelection
45th: First Jewish-American President

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What a list!

Esspecially 43rd, I guess?

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What a list!

Esspecially 43rd, I guess?

Bundy on the brains Kalwejt?

Read a book about him recently and how him name was invoked in political ads.