PA 13

[TeePee4Prez]

Let's take Section 8 off the table for a second.  At no point in all of these posts have you proven to me why I should vote for Melissa Brown.  If anything I have more reason to vote against her.  WHat are you trying to prove here?  You are not wealthy as am I.  Why do you defend the rights of them while my parents and I'm sure yours are getting dicked over by this Administration that Melissa Brown so adamantly supports.  When it comes to tax cuts, health care, and excessive military spending thre is not an ounce of daylight.

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Why do you defend the rights of them while my parents and I'm sure yours are getting dicked over by this Administration that Melissa Brown so adamantly supports.  

Oh for the record, I am part of a middle class family. We live in a rowhome. We strongly support this adminstration and Brown. We are glad we get tax cuts instead of the same old tax-and-spend agenda the Democrats put forward far too often.

Well you and your family are missing the big picture and are severely warped.  Tax-and-spend, HA.  It more like a tax-shift on to you and your family.  Oh and for spending, it seems as these neo-cons are worse than Clinton.  If you and your family can see this you and them must be deaf, dumb, and blind.  Maybe if Melissa Brown wins I'll move to Massachusetts.  I may actually have the pleasure of being around more intelligent people with their heads out of their @sses.  Fortunately, I have enough faith that a bare majority of residents here will pull the lever for Kerry and Schwartz, maybe not Hoeffel, but that's ok.  Specter may actually do right on the Judiciary committee and prove me wrong.

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Ok, the Bush tax cuts gave me what a night out to dinner.  Ok, they gave your parents probably what half a vacaton to Wildwood.  Yet they gave people that make a lot more than us brand new cars.  Come on.  You will be paying A LOT more for college than I am.  The job market stinks.  You are being very short sighted here.  I should also mention there's what a $7 trilion deficit.  WHo's going to pay for that?  Yeah, inflation has gone up drastically.  Who's getting the interest on this $7 trillion?  NOT US!  If you or your parents knew anything about economic policy, you would not vote Bush or Brown, plain and simple.

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Ok, the Bush tax cuts gave me what a night out to dinner.  Ok, they gave your parents probably what half a vacaton to Wildwood.  Yet they gave people that make a lot more than us brand new cars.  Come on.  You will be paying A LOT more for college than I am.  The job market stinks.  You are being very short sighted here.  I should also mention there's what a $7 trilion deficit.  WHo's going to pay for that?  Yeah, inflation has gone up drastically.  Who's getting the interest on this $7 trillion?  NOT US!  If you or your parents knew anything about economic policy, you would not vote Bush or Brown, plain and simple.

First of all it gave us more than a night out at dinner. Second, we don't go to Wildwood I think that you have to realize that some of us middle class Americans did benefit from these tax cuts. Some of us Americans like to get money back from the government. And you have to realize some other things too... 1) Not everyone in NE Philly is the way you think they are. Not all Republicans are Archie Bunker Republicans and the majority of this district isn't full of Joe Hoeffel Dems. Secondly, you have to realize people disagree with you. You said my family must be "warped" and "blind, deaf and dumb." Don't personally attack me or my family, Handzus. I don't care how much you disagree with what me and my family believe, those comments were outrageous.

Of course most people got a tax break.  Difference is who and how much.  Some people got NONE.  Most of those were in the lower-middle brackets.  The sad thing is expenditures had to be cut, but unfortunately the important ones such as education and health care did meanwhile the military went up astronomically.  This is coupled with a $7 trillion deficit.  Like I said who's gonna pay for it?  Money certainly doesn't grow on trees.  And I am not attacking your family Keystone.  I am attacking their thoughts if what you are telling me is true.  I do not know them if I've seen them on the street.  I feel you and them are being very short sighted.  You said you and your family is backing Bush and Brown fully.  I was bringing your family up in a theoretical manner since they come from a middle class rowhome.  It's not personal man.  I do realize not all of PA-13 are Joe Hoeffel Dems or Archie Bunker Republicans.  The point I'm trying to make though is there ARE a lot of one or two issue RINOs in the Northeast though those being abortion and having this notion that the Republicans are somehow going to save Philadelphia.  On the latter, check out the Far Northeast Young Republicans website.  It says it there point blank.  

[TeePee4Prez]

Melissa Brown yard signs were only from committeepeople.  The reason nayone else would have one is because of the Section 8, not the tax cuts.  I'll admit there will be SOME Kerry/Brown crossovers, but it will be because of that issue.  

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Melissa Brown yard signs were only from committeepeople.  The reason nayone else would have one is because of the Section 8, not the tax cuts.  I'll admit there will be SOME Kerry/Brown crossovers, but it will be because of that issue.  

Handzus, I am saying that you will start seeing more and more of them when October and November role around. And I know for a fact that not every house that has a sign is the house of a committeeperson. (And I'm not saying that they will put them up because of tax cuts but they'll be supporting someone who supports the tax cuts.)

Heh, then why will most be supporting Kerry?  We're not going to see as many Melissa Brown signs as Sam Katz... nowhere NEAR that number.  You will be seeing equally as many Schwartz signs as well.  There are even a good number of Republicans that are fishy about the tax cuts as well.  Her pinnacle issue is Section 8 and you know it.  This is a battleground district.  There are many people disenchanted with Bush and Brown will struggle with him.  If I recall, there were a lot of Torsella lawn signs as well.  I also noticed a lot of Schwartz signs in the heavily Jewish neighborhoods.  Taubenberger had Fox Chase pretty strong as well, but naturally they'd go Brown.  There were a lot of Schwartz signs in the suburbs as well as Bard.  

Funny I noticed more Toomey signs than Specter in the Northeast, but where it counted, Specter slaughtered him at least here.  My point, lawn signs are for the desperate.  These people know their neighbors will be questioning Brown along with Bush.  I'm sure many cops will go Brown as they probably did in 2002.  My other point, there was no widespread disenchantment with the Bush Administration in 2002 as there is now and Northeast Philadelphia is no exception.  Bush is getting his @ss handed to him and it will have an effect on Brown no doubt.  Rising health care costs and the fear of job losses will far outweigh the relative pettiness of Section 8.  One advantage for Brown is she had a previous run in 2002, but I do not see her expanding on Hoeffel voters.  This may also serve as a disadvantage because the Dems know her playbook and they have the finances to destroy it unlike other parts of the country where the Republicans have massive cash advantages.  Also note the differences between Katz's 1999 performance and Katz 2003.  Katz was poised to win in 2003 until Ashcroft entered with a probe.  Mind you it didn't affect my vote, but it did to many others and Katz suffered heavily.  He did not have convincing advantages in the Northeast and yes, a lot of Katz supporters are Democrats who will easily switch back to Kerry/Schwartz with Specter cutting in a little more so.  The logisitcs of this do not favor Brown.  Brown's ONLY avenue is Section 8 and she'll have to be stellar on that without ebing too offensive.  She's walking a tightrope and Schwartz's cash will answer her very quickly.            

[TeePee4Prez]

Oh and btw, start worrying about PA-8.  DSCC will be funneling Schrader $$$ and Fitzpatrick was not the best candidate for the GOP.  PA-13 is a loss for the GOP.  The FOP will not carry her over the finish line.

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Oh and btw, start worrying about PA-8.  DSCC will be funneling Schrader $$$ and Fitzpatrick was not the best candidate for the GOP.  PA-13 is a loss for the GOP.  The FOP will not carry her over the finish line.

Right but if the FOP endorsed Schwartz it would have been "Game over! Schwartz wins!" Give me a break. And I won't be worrying about PA 8 anytime soon.

There's no reason to think "Game Over! Brown wins!" either.  Brown has more hurdles to clear with regards to Bush than Schwartz does with Kerry.

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Bush is a bigger hurdle considering this is a FEDERAL election!  

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I do not think Schwartz will bring Bush into the equation much.  Will she bring up the issues that matter? Absolutely.  Does this tie into Bush? YES.  Brown ties in with the Bush ageneda 100X as much as Schwartz and John Street.  You can not make that argument with John Street.  It's null and void.

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Allyson Schwartz is doing more than that trust me.  She founded CHIP in PA and has many solutions for issues such as a Patient's Bill of Rights and Lessening Dependency on foreign oil.  She actually has a small library of postion papers on all kinds of issues.  What does Brown have?  A few paragraphs on the major issues, but has time for Section 8 doesn't she.  

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Allyson Schwartz is doing more than that trust me.  She founded CHIP in PA and has many solutions for issues such as a Patient's Bill of Rights and Lessening Dependency on foreign oil.  She actually has a small library of postion papers on all kinds of issues.  What does Brown have?  A few paragraphs on the major issues, but has time for Section 8 doesn't she.  

Sorry that Brown didn't write you a book on her positions, Handzus. She gets to the point. She says what she wants to do in the House and has been talking to the voters about issues they care about unlike Schwartz who hasn't really addressed one of the main issues ( Section 8 ). Face it, Handzus. Whether you want it to be or not, Section 8 is a major issue here. There's no way around it.

Well maybe I want someone with a little more complex thought.  it's blantently obvious she's baiting uneducated whtie voters into her.  Montgomery County is going to be somewhat brutal to her.  

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I'm not denying her achievements educationally, but she must think I'm stupid enough to vote for her and that's not going to happen.  She is an insult to mine and the rest of the Northeast's intelligence.  Unfortunately many will fall into her trap and screw them over by not giving a damn.  She cares about one thing only, denying patient's rights to sue and tax cuts for the rich, not the Northeast.  She is a debutante snake and deserves my size 10 1/2 shoe up her @ss.

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She is a debutante snake and deserves my size 10 1/2 shoe up her @ss.

You need to stop and look at what you are saying. Your comments are have gotten so ridiculous. You'd never think that you actually considered voting for her.

Boo hiss!  Are you angry at the fact I'm not a neo-conservative like you that doesn't see everything the great white Catholic Northeast Philadelphia way I'm supposed to.  

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Actually in 2002 I bet if you look at old polls for the NE neither Brown or Hoeffel had good name ID.

Most voters thought Borski was their congressman.

I do agree Hoeffel had the name ID advantage in Montco.

I think the flaw in your argument is that Brown will be going to Washington and therefore I logical link can be drawn to Bush (or Lott etc).   (I am not saying Brown is the same I am just saying the argument can be made to voters)

On the other hand Street is a local pol not a national figure.   It will be harder to try and link Allyson with Street because she is running for Congress not City Council.   Now if the Brown campaign wants to link her to Rendell and the Harrisburg dems (e.g. on the Med Mal issue) that is sensible.  Or to Kerry and "crazy" Mass. liberals on issues like gay marriage or abortion.

As I said before Brown was able to localize the 2002 race by making it about section 8.   If she hits Allyson on Med Mal even the most ardent hater will not see this as a Philadelphia/John Street issue (but of course ardent haters are probably not voting for Allyson to begin with).

Hey JD.  Welcome to the forum.  I'm glad some people in here have some sense.  I've been trying to tell this kid all along that Street and Section 8 are local issues, not national ones.  I voted Katz for mayor and I plan on the ticket in my signature come Fall.  Funny you mentioned Borski.  There are some people here that still think he's our Congressman.  Unfortunately I must say there are people who are ignorant enough to tie Street with the national Democratic party for he is FAR off the issue.  I think Allyson Schwartz will prevail, but Joe Torsella should have won the primary and would have got conservative Democrats and moderate Republicans better than Schwartz.  Section 8 is still an issue, but as I have been saying to our young friend, the PHA has mroe authority on how its run.  I also regret this, and yes KP you will laugh, I have the arduous task of having to convince even my own relatives of Brown's false nasty tactics.        

[TeePee4Prez]

Melissa Brown will be doing more for doctors and the Club for Growth folks than us and I know it.  She will be doing stuff in Congress, just not for the Northeast.

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Melissa Brown will be doing more for doctors and the Club for Growth folks than us and I know it.  She will be doing stuff in Congress, just not for the Northeast.

Oh give me a break. Fighting to keep our doctors here as opposed to fleeing the state isn't fighting for us? Fighting to reform a broken Section 8 program isn't fighting for us? She'll do stuff in Congress and that stuff with help the Northeast. The problem is you don't want to admit it. When it comes down to the two candidates, Brown has addressed the major concerns of voters here in the NE more than Schwartz has. That's why Torsella voters will strongly consider (and some will actually vote) Melissa Brown.

Addressing and doing are two different thing.  Schwartz has a history of DOING.  Brown has a history of addressing.  IMO, she's a snake and has personal reasons for wanting to go to Congress and she will fail yet again!  Torsella voters???  Yeah I was one and I am voting for Schwartz!  I still made it out for the primary despite the fact I had a huge final that day mainly because I thought he was a moderate and had the better chance of keeping the distirct Democratic.  He also assured me he was FAR from the Joe Lieberman wing of the party.  Why do you think people actually went out and voted for him?  Hmm, maybe it was because people are disenchanted with the Bush Administration and his associates.  Melissa Brown is eager to be a proud associate in Congress.  Oh and not to being this up again, Torsella is backing Schwartz.  You got a HUGE problem in the Montgomery Co. portion of the district.  That was her Republican primary challenger Ellen Bard whom Melissa Brown ran a nasty campaign against her out there.  It's a problem because Bard was a popular, entrenched State Rep out there and IS NOT backing Melissa Brown.    

[TeePee4Prez]

All I have to say is wait and see where her priorities are if God forbid she does get elected.  If she and Bush get elected, 2006 is going to be a sour year for you guys.  Santorum will be out handily, Fitzpatrick (PA-8) if elected gone, Brown (PA-13) if elected gone, Gerlach (PA-6) if re-elected gone, Weldon(PA-7) gone, Dent (PA-15) if elected gone, Saxton(NJ-3) gone! The Philadelphia metro area will be desolate for the GOP (barring any ballot suttfing).  Ok, as consolation you'll hold PA-16, NJ-2, NJ-4, and DE-AL.  

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 Santorum will be out handily, Fitzpatrick (PA-8) if elected gone, Brown (PA-13) if elected gone, Gerlach (PA-6) if re-elected gone, Weldon(PA-7) gone, Dent (PA-15) if elected gone, Saxton(NJ-3) gone!

Are you kidding me? That's just a little wishful thinking on your part, Handzus.

If the Republicans sweep this year, I can almost guarantee you of this in 2006 minus say Weldon or Saxton.  

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You are assuming WAY to much with Brown.

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You are assuming WAY to much with Brown.

You're underestimating her for some reason, Handzus. And if Schwartz wants to do the same, that's fine with me. It only helps Brown.

I am not underestimating her.  Time will tell what dirty tircks she has up her sleeve.  Schwartz is sticking to national issues, while Brown is taking an issue that should be kept local and telling voters how horrible she thinks it is.  NO SH!T SHERLOCK!!!  I know this is a NATIONAL election and I agree with Schwartz on this issues, enough said.  As Mark said, Schwartz is not mentioning it, but it should be known to Northeast residents the dynamics of the program and what they can do with regards to unruly tenants in Section 8.  This brings me to my next point, how many are there... probably about 1/3.  The other 2/3 should not be punished because most of them are on it for a short while anyway to get back on their feet and feel bad about being on it because their pride is taken away.            

I think Northeast voters, not all though, will see right through this and vote Schwartz in the end who will prevail.  Schwartz is taking the high road and not stooping as low as Brown and sticking to why she should eb elected to CONGRESS!  If you or your neighbors have problems with tenants, take it up with the PHA and document any unruliness or abuses via videotapes or local officials (O'Neill, Mariano, Krajewski, Stack, Taylor, Perzel, O'Brien, etc.).      

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Oh and by the way Keystone, have you ever watched Bowling for Columbine?  I recommend it especially from about half way through the movie and thereafter.  Strongly applies to PA-13!

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Oh and by the way Keystone, have you ever watched Bowling for Columbine?  I recommend it especially from about half way through the movie and thereafter.  Strongly applies to PA-13!

Haven't seen it and never plan on seeing a Michael Moore movie.

(I've seen you resulted to your immature ways with your signature. The ridiculous things you come up with. Proves you can't win when debating issues.)

I love the comedic aspects of this!  It's not all about issues, but apparently you have a poor pre-recorded response every time.  Gotta have some fun with this!

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Oh and by the way Keystone, have you ever watched Bowling for Columbine?  I recommend it especially from about half way through the movie and thereafter.  Strongly applies to PA-13!

Haven't seen it and never plan on seeing a Michael Moore movie.

(I've seen you resulted to your immature ways with your signature. The ridiculous things you come up with. Proves you can't win when debating issues.)

I love the comedic aspects of this!  It's not all about issues, but apparently you have a poor pre-recorded response every time.  Gotta have some fun with this!

This is a lot of fun. While your signature is immature, it makes me laugh since you can't debate the issues, you can't respectfully disagree with people or candidates. Funny yet kind of sad.

I think it's even more sad talking in circles and and hearing sh!t liek it's yesterday's news.  Yeah I know Section 8 and med mal are problems, but you are not focusing clearly enough of what avenues to go down and how they can be solved.  You think Melissa Brown is the automatic solution to these.  You are rebutting my arguments with overly simplistic and narrow minded points of view and it's getting sick.

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I meant once, but it doesnt really matter cause the taxpayers are sick of her scare tactics and she will lose just like twice before. And thats my final word cause you dont go out and you sit on this website for hours upon hours and fight with people about petty bullsh**t so later.

You've been saying that you were leaving for about ten minutes now. Is it that hard to log out for you? (Also, to clear something up for you since you have no idea what I do outside of school/this forum, I do go out and have a non-political social life.)

Hey Demoteen, I find this hard to believe considering he has made over 2700 posts in two months.  WOW!  Keystone, you should go to Egypt for Teen night at some point.  I know they still have it because my sister's 15.