Senate Protest and Analysis Thread

[MasterJedi]

I would like to note my disappointment at the moving of the GTO bill as emergency legislation, while Beirut burns and this government continues to do nothing about it.

The reason I did it is frankly I feel Israel is doing what it needs to be doing to get rid of Hezbellah (probably spelled that wrong, don't feel like checking now), even if that means burning Beirut to the ground. Lebanon won't do anything Hezbellah and wants the international community to stop Israel for their rightful attack.

Aside from that after the GTO bill this will be bumped up into that spot.

So let's change some names here.

Terrorist Group A bombs the CN Tower.  A few Canadians die.  The Terrorist Group A headquarters are in Milwaukee.  Now Atlasia tried to get rid of Terrorist Group A, but it had overextended its resources (probably protecting petting zoos in Wyoming ) and since Terrorist Group A had never attacked Atlasia, it wan't a big deal.  So, Canada begins bombing Milwaukee.  Their airport and highways are destroyed.  Electricity is cut off and a bombing of the local power station.  Dozens of Atlasians die in the attacks on neighborhoods considered to be harboring Terrorist Group A and Milwaukee begins to crumble.

^Canada acted justly by bombing Milwaukee, right?  Regardless of the fact Atlasia is a sovereign nation?

Lebanon has never tried to get rid of Hezbellah, while some may not like it there they haven't done anything to get rid of it. And really bad analogy there kid.

[MasterJedi]

I would like to note my disappointment at the moving of the GTO bill as emergency legislation, while Beirut burns and this government continues to do nothing about it.

The reason I did it is frankly I feel Israel is doing what it needs to be doing to get rid of Hezbellah (probably spelled that wrong, don't feel like checking now), even if that means burning Beirut to the ground. Lebanon won't do anything Hezbellah and wants the international community to stop Israel for their rightful attack.

Aside from that after the GTO bill this will be bumped up into that spot.

So let's change some names here.

Terrorist Group A bombs the CN Tower.  A few Canadians die.  The Terrorist Group A headquarters are in Milwaukee.  Now Atlasia tried to get rid of Terrorist Group A, but it had overextended its resources (probably protecting petting zoos in Wyoming ) and since Terrorist Group A had never attacked Atlasia, it wan't a big deal.  So, Canada begins bombing Milwaukee.  Their airport and highways are destroyed.  Electricity is cut off and a bombing of the local power station.  Dozens of Atlasians die in the attacks on neighborhoods considered to be harboring Terrorist Group A and Milwaukee begins to crumble.

^Canada acted justly by bombing Milwaukee, right?  Regardless of the fact Atlasia is a sovereign nation?

Lebanon has never tried to get rid of Hezbellah, while some may not like it there they haven't done anything to get rid of it. And really bad analogy there kid.

That's because they don't have the resources and no one has bothered to provide it.  It is like taking a stick to fight a guy with two automatic rifles and a grenade.  I think the government would choose to stay in power and not be slaughtered to bits. 

Still, they haven't done anything, even diplomatically. And that's beside the fact that Syria and Iran control Lebanon. It would be in Israel's best interests to reduce Lebanon to a smoldering wasteland and have complete control over the area.

[MasterJedi]

I might as well say that once the GTO bill is off the floor and Jas's resolution is in the 5th slot I'll be introducing this amendment to re-write the bill.

Resolution on the Middle East Conflict

Recognizing that the security and stability of the Middle East is threatened by the current conflict between Hezbollah and Israel,

The Atlasian Senate hereby recognizes that:
1. The terrorist group, Hezbollah, is acting without legitimate cause or grievance and is slaughtering innocent Israeli citizens.
2. It is acting with the tacit support of the Syrian and Iranian governments.

Thus the Atlasian Senate hereby:
1. Condemns Hezbollah, Syria and Iran.
2. Condemns Hezbollah for launching rockets from civilian areas, thus making Israel attack civilian areas and causing undue death of Lebanese citizens to protect its own citizens.
3. Gives wholehearted support to the Israeli government in their attacks against Hezbollah and supports its complete destruction.
4. Is willing to sell Israel weapons and munitions in their continuing fight against terrorism.

[MasterJedi]

I'm also thinking about adding a clause supporting the Lebanese government and willing to sell them weapons and munitions as well if they agree to help Israel attack Hezbollah.

[MasterJedi]

Wouldn't it be simpler simply to have one large bill entitled the 'Sub-Sahara African Free Trade Agreement', and have a list of all the countries in this region with which we wish to have free trade? 

Not really because the Senate might want to have the trade with some but not the others and it gives each bill debate by itself. (Though I hope they all pass anyway)

[MasterJedi]

Has anyone had any contact with Vice President Q?
He appears to have been absent for almost 2 weeks.
Does anyone know if he's on official leave of absence or if somethings happened?

He's just left, he's been gone and nobody has seen him (at least I think nobody has heard from him).

[MasterJedi]

Can someone introduce a bill switching Atlasia to the metric system?

No

[MasterJedi]

Enforcement of Half Plus Seven Rule Bill

1. No marriages after the effect of this bill shall be recognized in which one party to marriage's age is less than half the age of the other party plus seven years.
2. All current marriages covered by the law will remain valid, but upon divorce or death of one of the parties, the parties will be subject to the law as anyone else.

I don't see why this is necessary?

It borderlines on frivolous but I ask that when it comes up it be brought to an immediate vote to put shut down.

It infringes on the right of consenting adults.

[MasterJedi]

Not this crap again with the islands becoming states. VOTE THIS DOWN!

Nobody really cares what you think MAS. This is a lot more reasonable then recognizing Sealand as a country. Now that was absolute crap.

[MasterJedi]

Not this crap again with the islands becoming states. VOTE THIS DOWN!

Nobody really cares what you think MAS. This is a lot more reasonable then recognizing Sealand as a country. Now that was absolute crap.

Haha, LONG LIVE SEALAND! I introduced that as a joke I I never even asked it to be really it to be really considered. This crap on the other hand is getting really considered. The Northern Mariana Islands shouldnt be a state!

You were pretty serious about it at the time so I doubt it was a joke. All the islands together should be, there's no good reason for them not to be.

[MasterJedi]

All the islands together should be, there's no good reason for them not to be.

It's impractical from a forum affairs point of view.

Keeping track of people who are there really doesn't matter, it's not like it would be different than any other state. And as for redistricting you don't really need to have it in a map (though you could if you wanted to make it), you could just say what district the state is in and put it under the map in plain text.

[MasterJedi]

I ask for my Repeal of Puerto Rico Statehood Act to be treated as emergency legislation to stop it from being including in the redistricting

Are any Senators strongly in favor or opposed to treating this as emergency legislation?

It can't be done, there is no power that says the Senate can remove states from the Union. Before Puerto Rico became a state we had to pass an amendment to the constitution that said the Senate could add states, you'd have to do the same to remove a state (a stupid power, means that any state could be removed).

DWTL just wants it because he thinks he knows what's best, ignore him.

[MasterJedi]

It could be considered as forum affairs legislation whic has it own queue.

Even if you tried to put it in there as forum affairs legislation (I don't really see how it is) you still need to pass an amendment before you can remove a state from the Union (which is a stupid thing to do).

[MasterJedi]

It could be considered as forum affairs legislation whic has it own queue.

Even if you tried to put it in there as forum affairs legislation (I don't really see how it is) you still need to pass an amendment before you can remove a state from the Union (which is a stupid thing to do).

The amendment is in the queue and I ask the new PPT upon taking office to put this into the Constitutional Amendments slot, then the removal of Puerto Rico bill after this amendment passes.  I know you may take this personally as the person who wanted Puerto Rico, but you shouldn't, it isn't personal it is simply the current (not former) senators seem to think should be done (or at least a few of us)

How can you not take it personal when there is absolutly no reason to remove it? If you can't have it in a map put text beneath the map saying "Puerto Rico is in District #" and redistricting isn't a problem since of the way the original legislation is made up. There is no reason for it to happen except you wanting to remove it for no reason.

[MasterJedi]

It could be considered as forum affairs legislation whic has it own queue.

Even if you tried to put it in there as forum affairs legislation (I don't really see how it is) you still need to pass an amendment before you can remove a state from the Union (which is a stupid thing to do).

The amendment is in the queue and I ask the new PPT upon taking office to put this into the Constitutional Amendments slot, then the removal of Puerto Rico bill after this amendment passes.  I know you may take this personally as the person who wanted Puerto Rico, but you shouldn't, it isn't personal it is simply the current (not former) senators seem to think should be done (or at least a few of us)

How can you not take it personal when there is absolutly no reason to remove it? If you can't have it in a map put text beneath the map saying "Puerto Rico is in District #" and redistricting isn't a problem since of the way the original legislation is made up. There is no reason for it to happen except you wanting to remove it for no reason.

I want to remove it because I think Puerto Rico should not be a state.  This is a subject perfectly reasonable people can disagree on.  You seem to think I want to eliminate Puerto Rico as a state because you made it a state.  As someone who's vote I valued in the last election (remember that your vote put me in office so I am grateful), that is not the case.

It's the same as saying I don't think New Jersey should be a state. That's not a reason to remove it from statehood because you don't want it there.

[MasterJedi]

It could be considered as forum affairs legislation whic has it own queue.

Even if you tried to put it in there as forum affairs legislation (I don't really see how it is) you still need to pass an amendment before you can remove a state from the Union (which is a stupid thing to do).

The amendment is in the queue and I ask the new PPT upon taking office to put this into the Constitutional Amendments slot, then the removal of Puerto Rico bill after this amendment passes.  I know you may take this personally as the person who wanted Puerto Rico, but you shouldn't, it isn't personal it is simply the current (not former) senators seem to think should be done (or at least a few of us)

How can you not take it personal when there is absolutly no reason to remove it? If you can't have it in a map put text beneath the map saying "Puerto Rico is in District #" and redistricting isn't a problem since of the way the original legislation is made up. There is no reason for it to happen except you wanting to remove it for no reason.

I want to remove it because I think Puerto Rico should not be a state.  This is a subject perfectly reasonable people can disagree on.  You seem to think I want to eliminate Puerto Rico as a state because you made it a state.  As someone who's vote I valued in the last election (remember that your vote put me in office so I am grateful), that is not the case.

It's the same as saying I don't think New Jersey should be a state. That's not a reason to remove it from statehood because you don't want it there.

Not only is New Jersey contiguous to the United States, it also was an original 13 colony, not a state added on a whim.

Still the same thing as you are saying. You don't think Puerto Rico should be a state so you think it should be gone. I don't think New Jersey should be a state so I think it should be gone.

[MasterJedi]

It could be considered as forum affairs legislation whic has it own queue.

Even if you tried to put it in there as forum affairs legislation (I don't really see how it is) you still need to pass an amendment before you can remove a state from the Union (which is a stupid thing to do).

The amendment is in the queue and I ask the new PPT upon taking office to put this into the Constitutional Amendments slot, then the removal of Puerto Rico bill after this amendment passes.  I know you may take this personally as the person who wanted Puerto Rico, but you shouldn't, it isn't personal it is simply the current (not former) senators seem to think should be done (or at least a few of us)

How can you not take it personal when there is absolutly no reason to remove it? If you can't have it in a map put text beneath the map saying "Puerto Rico is in District #" and redistricting isn't a problem since of the way the original legislation is made up. There is no reason for it to happen except you wanting to remove it for no reason.

I want to remove it because I think Puerto Rico should not be a state.  This is a subject perfectly reasonable people can disagree on.  You seem to think I want to eliminate Puerto Rico as a state because you made it a state.  As someone who's vote I valued in the last election (remember that your vote put me in office so I am grateful), that is not the case.

It's the same as saying I don't think New Jersey should be a state. That's not a reason to remove it from statehood because you don't want it there.

Not only is New Jersey contiguous to the United States, it also was an original 13 colony, not a state added on a whim.

Still the same thing as you are saying. You don't think Puerto Rico should be a state so you think it should be gone. I don't think New Jersey should be a state so I think it should be gone.

However, under the amendment I introduced removing New Jersey as a state would not be an option.  Also, it makes no sense that Puerto Rico would have voted for statehood after turning it down multiple times.

Puerto Rico has voted down statehood barely each time, and I do mean barely. If they would have been given the option of statehood and independence they would have chosen statehood. The only reason they didn't want to become a state is because of paying certain taxes so they can have the benefits of being American citizens without most of the cost. And I am talking about IRL here.

[MasterJedi]

End of the Budget Amendment

1.) Aritcle I, Section 8 of the Constitution is hereby repealed

Hopefully this can quickly pass the Senate and the pass the regions. The last time there was an amendment vote for it too many people were ignorant about how the budget works and voted against removing it.

[MasterJedi]

Amendment to Allow the Senate to Set a Minimum Wage

The Senate shall have power to set a minimum wage, as it deems necessary. It shall be variable in that one shall be set for the Republic of Atlasia (the Five Regions) and others shall be set for the Insular Territories, at an appropriate level deemed by the Senate. The Regions shall also have power to set a minimum wage, within their jurisdictions, but this shall only have effect where this wage is greater than that which has been set by the Senate.

Same thing I said for the other amendment applies for this as well.

[MasterJedi]

I ask that the Atlasia-Peru bill be removed based on this past bill: https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/South_American_Free_Trade_Act which already has given Atlasia and Peru free trade with each other.

[MasterJedi]

I ask that the Atlasia-Peru bill be removed based on this past bill: https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/South_American_Free_Trade_Act which already has given Atlasia and Peru free trade with each other.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Well you still need to withdraw it.

[MasterJedi]

That's not a bill we can pass since the Atlasian Senate doesn't have the power to change the UN just because we want to. So I'd ask DWTL to withdraw it.

[MasterJedi]

That's not a bill we can pass since the Atlasian Senate doesn't have the power to change the UN just because we want to. So I'd ask DWTL to withdraw it.

Hold on, I'll read it first.  I have no idea if it is good or not, I just promised to introduce bills for people and did a copy/paste

It would have helped if MasterJedi had read it to the end, too. Else he would have noticed that it doesn't *exactly* do what he claims it does. (I'm still not supporting it in its current form.)

Yes I read it to the end and all it is is blackmail. Now if Xahar just proposed to pull out of the UN and let our other organization, the GTO (you can read about this in the Statute on the wiki)a true freedom organization without the crap countries deal with world issues I wouldn't have said anything.

[MasterJedi]

Modification to the World War II Commemoration Act

Section 3 is repealed.

     I remember that when the bill was first discussed, we tried to replace MLK Jr. Day with Civil Rights Day on March 3rd. Maybe we could give that idea another go.

Well my main point is that MLK is just one person in the civil rights fight and he doesn't deserve his own day all by himself. I got it abolished along with another bill that had a million pointless days abolished as well. The bill passed rather easily originally that banned the bill so I'm hoping that it goes that way again.

[MasterJedi]

Modification to the World War II Commemoration Act

Section 3 is repealed.

     I remember that when the bill was first discussed, we tried to replace MLK Jr. Day with Civil Rights Day on March 3rd. Maybe we could give that idea another go.

Well my main point is that MLK is just one person in the civil rights fight and he doesn't deserve his own day all by himself. I got it abolished along with another bill that had a million pointless days abolished as well. The bill passed rather easily originally that banned the bill so I'm hoping that it goes that way again.

     DWTL made that point as well during the hearings for the World War II Commemoration Act. It would be nice to replace MLK's birthday with a day in honor of the Civil Rights Movement as a whole.

True, though I'd rather have no holiday at all.