Is it stupid to question the election results?

[Andrew]

I think there are two equally stupid views to hold regarding this election:

1.  It absolutely must have been stolen.

2.  It could not possibly have been stolen.

[Andrew]

The Electoral College votes tomorrow. Game over.

That's not necessarily true.  Remember Hawaii, 1960.

[Andrew]

The point isn't that the results are certified. The point is that you have less than 24 hours to overcome a 100,000 vote margin, and then it's over and done with.

No; the point is that the recount in Hawaii was not completed until after the electors had voted.  The certified result at the time they voted had given the victory to Nixon--but what mattered in the end was the way the people had actually voted.

As a point of fact, I'm not trying to overcome anything--I'm just pointing out that there were a tremendous number of problems with the election in Ohio, and that the process does not end tomorrow.

[Andrew]

And if the recount shows otherwise, to hell with the people.

Nice.

[Andrew]

As for the will of the people, that's already known beyond a shadow of a doubt. Hawaii 1960 margin: 100 votes. Ohio 2004 margin: 100,000 votes. Sorry, 100,000 votes is not close historically.

The margin in the Ukraine was 871,402 votes.

Your point, made very clearly, was that because there are Republicans in a position to make decisions about the outcome of this election, it doesn't really matter what the vote totals are.

[Andrew]

There are suspicions of fraud in Ohio.  If the evidence is there, it will come out.  If there is no conclusive evidence, that will come out, too.

Nobody is attempting to steal anything.

[Andrew]

Obviously, the election is over.  The recount is not over, and neither are any court cases that may arise.

My point is that today does not represent a deadline.

January 6 is the deadline.