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RogueBeaver
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« on: September 16, 2012, 10:41:00 AM »

No BQ. What would this look like?
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2012, 12:02:51 PM »
« Edited: September 16, 2012, 12:33:48 PM by Romney/Ryan 2012! »

Whitlam could be a left-Liberal like Paul Martin Sr. or Mike Pearson. Alternately he's an NDPer who joins the Liberals for power like PET. Depends if you have AV or FPTP as the electoral system which would determine whether there's a unified LDP, Lib/NDP or Lib/Con coalition, etc.

Fraser: In the day he'd probably be a Red Tory. Nowadays he'd be a Liberal.
Hawke: Liberal
Keating: Liberal
Howard: Conservative
Gillard: NDP or left-Liberal
Abbott: Conservative
Costello: Conservative
Latham: NDP
Shorten: Liberal
Turnbull: Liberal
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RogueBeaver
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2012, 12:43:03 PM »

The conditions required for the original renaming and ideological Balkanization don't exist here, so the "historical" (Sir John A.'s IRL) CPC keeps its name. No PC Party.

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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2012, 07:05:24 PM »

Some things we should establish:

1) Voting system: STV or FPTP?

2) Is there a Coalition or some sorts, in either voting system? Say, Lib/NDP v. Con?

3) If not, is there a merger? Like say an LDP or "National" (merged Lib/Con) party?
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2012, 08:02:18 PM »

Or just a Liberal minority government asking for support from either Tories or Dippers depending on the situation as is the case here.
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2012, 08:22:23 PM »

Orange Crush came primarily in Quebec, so it might not happen here. Some other guesses:

1980: Either a Liberal or Tory minority government, but more likely a Red-Orange coalition.

1983: Liberal landslide.

1984: Tory majority?

1987: Small Liberal majority due to Tory infighting.

*1990: Tory majority.

1993: Liberal majority, IRL Keating got a big primary swing which would be a much more comfortable majority with FPTP than what he actually did with STV.

1996: Tory landslide.

1998: Liberal/NDP coalition or Liberal minority government.

2001: Tory majority.

2004: Tory landslide.

2007: Liberal landslide.

2010: Tory majority.

*Analogues, since obviously with 4/5 year parliamentary terms the electoral cycle would be different. These guesses are based off primary votes.
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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2012, 09:02:17 PM »

The union links to the NDP could see it performing not dissimilarly to Labor in a fair number of seats, I suspect.

So there has to be either a permanent coalition like IRL's Lib/Nat one or a merged LDP. Which would be extremely difficult, if not downright impossible given the ideological/cultural disparity. The NDP, even today, will never assent to an economic program like HK Lab's or anything remotely similar. Liberals would have to work with the Tories.
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