Declaration of Independence Banned at Calif School

[MODU]

As to God, I am sick and tired of him.

Enough is enough.

In no other civilized country does this obsession play any role.

Move.  Bye.  Pack your bags.  Canada is to the North.  France is to the East.  Take your pick.   Send us your forwarding address when you reach your new athiest home.

[MODU]

When I first heard this on the way home this evening, I thought the guy was kidding.  When our own historical documents cannot be taught in class since someone disagrees with a word or two used, you know our society has fallen off the deep end.  Time for people to get off their high horse and/or get their heads out of their asses.

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Look at the last two posts -- and you guys think we are the elitists and look down upon you? Gimme a break. You guys on the far-right are even more elitist. There's just a few more of you then us.

Not far right.  I'm actually quite middle of the road.  I'm just tired of the liberal side always complaining if there isn't something they disagree with.  If you can not handle the historical foundations of our great nation containing a reference to God, then you need to either move out, or check yourself before opening your mouths.

Not far-right.  Just blunt.

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NO. No. No. No. No. No. It is wrong and I disagree with it.

My point was that you guys on the right are the true elitists and always have been.

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Don't label me as being on the right. I refuse to be so arbitrarily labeled in that way. Economically I may be a little to the right in which we can discuss in another thread, but socially I'm closer to the middle. I'm pro-choice only in the fact that I don't believe government has the right to tell people what to do with their own bodies. It is the only one we will ever have. Personally, I think abortion is a barbaric practice but government doesn't have the right over our bodies. Oh, and I'm not Christian. Therefore I cannot be apart of this "Evangelical movement" that is spreading across the nation. I'm a Jew.

lol...another thing. Republicans, when questioned, can never admit that they are right-wing. Something you guys always accuse us of doing.

You are assuming all Republicans are conservatives.

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The founding fathers weren't religious?  *dies laughin*  That's the funniest thing I've heard all day.

They might not ALL have been "Christians," but they were certainly religious.  Washington  and Paine were Deists, Adams (and Quincy Adams) were Unitarians, Jefferson was a Christian (variety unknown since he later wrote his own version of the Gospel), Franklin went from "Christian" to agnostic, and so on.  Many of those that signed the Declaration were heads of churches, while others were Freemasons who believed that everything depends on the providence of God.

So yes, they were religious even if they weren't "Christians."  

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I wish more schools in California did this.

What, deny teaching our children and grandchildren about our nations history?  Maybe we should skip the whole Revolutionary period and go right into the 1800's?

Here my take on the whole thing.  Now I am older than most of you on this site, but even back when I went through public school, we were taught all the religions of the world and their beliefs.  We learned about Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, and so on, and in great detail.  However, Christianity was brushed over since it was implied that we were already well versed in the topic.  Now that I am much older, I understand that this was far from the truth since there are so many variations of Christianity.  

But now, listening to those who are going through school today, they learn everything I mentioned above except for any discussion on Christianity, as if it were a bad thing.  The mere mention of it can get you in trouble for some reason.  Why?  I blame it all on political correctness, which is an oxymoron (there is nothing PC about PC).  So, we either do this fairly and stop teach ALL religion in school at the extent of hurting our intellectual development and tolerance, or we understand that "Christianity" exists and it's ok to discuss it even if you don't agree with it.

Enough of this revisionist history concept or the blatant disregard for other peoples beliefs.  If people force our children and grandchildren to learn about "Adam and Steve," it is just as fair for us to force their children and grandchildren to learn about the orgins behind "Adam and Eve."  Thank god mine live in counties where the school board is more intellectually responsible to not allow principals like this one to dictate what can and can't be taught.