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MorningInAmerica
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« on: October 05, 2012, 05:37:20 PM »
« edited: October 05, 2012, 05:39:56 PM by MorningInAmerica »

Yes, true, I could technically put you on my ignore list, but I feel it's my duty to my fellow forum members to do my bit to get you to stop posting this crap.

Certainly not to this forum member; if weird things are happening with party ID someone should point it out.

Sigh. We've been over and over this party ID stuff time and time again. Unless you've literally got a sample that's 100% D and 0% R or something it's a total waste of time - do any pollsters other than Rasmussen even weight by party ID?

Oakvale, thanks, but no thanks. Party ID being irrelevant is something that has been way overstated here. Sure, it fluctuates, and can be a reflection of the top line, but you can apply political science to determine whether or not Obama is going to carry Virginia by 17 points, as NBC Marist showed earlier this year. You can also apply a bit of common sense to figure out whether or not Ohio is going to see D+10 turnout or greater, or whether Florida will be R+5 or not.  So please, how about everyone stop telling each other what we can and can't post about regarding these polls? This is a polling forum for gods sake.

Oh, and by the way, if Party ID is so irrelevant, then why do so many people talk about it?
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/328884/particulars-polls-michael-barone
http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/328469/why-party-id-matters-and-why-pollsters-avert-their-eyes
http://www.gallup.com/poll/145463/Democratic-Party-Drops-2010-Tying-Year-Low.aspx
http://www.gallup.com/poll/151943/Record-High-Americans-Identify-Independents.aspx
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/morning-jay-are-polls-tilted-toward-obama_653067.html
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MorningInAmerica
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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2012, 07:29:05 PM »
« Edited: October 05, 2012, 07:33:16 PM by MorningInAmerica »

MorninginPolljunk, it's quite simple.  The links you post prove our point.  When party id shifted to Republicans in 2010, NOBODY said the pollsters were in bed with the GOP manipulating polls. It was a sign that midterm electorate had shifted right. Guess what? It means the same thing the other direction.  

Wait. The point being made is that party ID is irrelevant, KingSquishyMod. I'm not exactly sure how ANY of the links I posted confirm that. Second, I'm not making the point you seem to think I'm making. I'm saying that Oakvale's (and others) requests to halt ALL talk of party ID is simply ridiculous because A) Why would any anonymous internet poster let any other anonymous internet poster tell them what they can post or talk about? B) Just like ethnicity, age, favorability, job approval, etc....party ID is a topic you should expect to hear about when discussing and analyzing polls in a internet forum. The faux outrage over discussion of how likely voters are identifying with a political party is just that - fake. It's a meme to jump on. A bandwagon to join.

PS - since you made a point that I wasn't making, I'd like to respond to that point. I agree with you that these pollsters are finding more Democratic electorates. I'm just not buying that they will look that way in 4 weeks. King, lets meet again and discuss Ohio party ID after the election. Can't wait to see if those D+10 samples really pan out.
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