The Gay Empire State

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I pray it fails.

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I pray it fails.

Well thats just rude.

Marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman. That's the definition that has been since the creation of men.

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Marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman. That's the definition that has been since the creation of men.
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So before the creation of men, did it used to be 2 women?
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There were no people at that point.

Marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman. That's the definition that has been since the creation of men.
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Where does it say in the bible that marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman? Just because you can't have sex doesn't mean you can't get married.
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Genesis 2:24
Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

Look also at the books of Hosea and the Son of Solomon for further credence to this.

This is a sad day for New York.

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So why did Joseph Robach, who represents a 65-35 Obama district, vote against it?

Someone needs to be primaried.

No he doesn't

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This is a great day for New York, and a sad day for JCL is THEREFORE, a great day for humanity.

If you are all so glad for gays being allowed marriage
Then loosen the draconian gun laws.

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If you are all so glad for gays being allowed marriage
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Uh, how the hell are those two things even remotely related?
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This demonstrates the utter hypocrisy of the left on civil liberties.
They are ok with rights for destructive lifestyles but deny self defense rights via firearms.

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Good for New York state.

If there was a referendum to overturn this, would it succeed?  

It's safe. New York will have no Prop. 8.
California will probably repeal Prop. 8 next year.

New York will have it own prop 8 and Cali's will stand. When its voted on by the people directly, gay marriage loses. So no it's far from safe.

They are ok with rights for destructive lifestyles but deny self defense rights via firearms.

Your tears sustain me.

Also, I don't really wanna reply to you, but... guns kinda kill. Which is pretty destructive.

Note how I said self defense rights. In states with libertarian gun laws crime is a lot lower. When law abiding citizens are denied gun rights crime goes nuts. Look at the Swiss.

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This is what pro-family legislation looks like.

That what anti-family legislation looks like

If you are all so glad for gays being allowed marriage
Then loosen the draconian gun laws.

Uh, how the hell are those two things even remotely related?
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This demonstrates the utter hypocrisy of the left on civil liberties.
They are ok with rights for destructive lifestyles but deny self defense rights via firearms.
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I'm a liberal who supports gun rights...
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You are being consistent in your liberalism in that case. My rant was ment for those who are pro-gay marriage yet anti-gun rights.

He also doesn't know the process of getting a referendum on the ballot in New York. Thus, ignore.

Sorry, I'm new-ish. Is he always like this or are there issues he's more sensible on?

I actually am sensible on some issues. I'm anti-war, anti-bailouts, I'm a modrate-ish on immigration, and on some environmental issues. BTRD just has this problem with my questioning Obama's eligibility to be president.

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Coolidge, no birthers are sensible, and neither are those who do not know how to properly quote a post.

I learnt my lesson on the second one. But birthers are sensible.

Ok, who's next?

Oregon voter referendum in 2012 seems to almost be a go. California, no. Prop 8 trial only (annoyingly). Maybe Maryland will try again next year, but that will go to a voter referendum anyway.

If Inslee wins we might be able to pass it in Washington. The State Senate will be the tricky part; Republicans are set to make gains and two of the Democrats are horrible on gay rights.

Indiana will be sending it to a direct vote of the people in 2014 in the correct direction of banning it.

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Coolidge, no birthers are sensible, and neither are those who do not know how to properly quote a post.

I learnt my lesson on the second one. But birthers are sensible.

Ok, who's next?

Oregon voter referendum in 2012 seems to almost be a go. California, no. Prop 8 trial only (annoyingly). Maybe Maryland will try again next year, but that will go to a voter referendum anyway.

If Inslee wins we might be able to pass it in Washington. The State Senate will be the tricky part; Republicans are set to make gains and two of the Democrats are horrible on gay rights.

Indiana will be sending it to a direct vote of the people in 2014 in the correct direction of banning it.

I don't believe Indiana gets to vote on Washington state laws.

Of course we don't. But we get to on our own laws

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I actually am sensible on some issues. I'm anti-war, anti-bailouts, I'm a modrate-ish on immigration, and on some environmental issues. BTRD just has this problem with my questioning Obama's eligibility to be president.

I'll freely admit that I have a problem with your position on this, because this is a major issue for me (particularly considering that one of my best friends in the whole world is a gay girl who lives in New York--Roy McDonald's district, actually), but all right, that sounds like a fairly non-insane subvariety of conservatism there. It seems a bit Old Right, which is very far from where I stand but at least doesn't completely make me want to throw up. All things considered it's just a shame that we're living in a political climate where things like the President's eligibility to be President (which, I'll be totally honest with you, I do think your alleged position on is at least somewhat crankish) are actually 'issues' at all, at least in the public mind.

Um, stop trolling.

Do gay people not have families or something? I'm sure that'll be rather disappointing news to several people I'm very close to.

I am mostly of the Old Right. The fact that government got involved in marriage at all back in the 1800's was ludicrous. Most of those laws denied marriage rights to inter-racial coulples and I would've opposed the denial of the right of inter-racial couples to marry. If it were a case of gays being denied access to certain jobs (religious and military excluded ) I'd be with you guys on that. But to give marital rights to gays goes against everything I believe as both an Old Right conservative and as a Christian.

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I am mostly of the Old Right. The fact that government got involved in marriage at all back in the 1800's was ludicrous. Most of those laws denied marriage rights to inter-racial coulples and I would've opposed the denial of the right of inter-racial couples to marry. If it were a case of gays being denied access to certain jobs (religious and military excluded ) I'd be with you guys on that. But to give marital rights to gays goes against everything I believe as both an Old Right conservative and as a Christian.

Eh, makes sense. I'm a Christian as well, but I'd wager of a vastly different type. Agreed with you that government involvement in marriage has major flaws, but I'm far from sure that completely abolishing such involvement and (re?)privatising the institution is the best solution to that.

Hence placing that role back to the states and keep the federal government out of it. As legislation that Ron Paul has proposed would do. Keep it to the states. If I may ask of the type of Christianity you proport yourself as part of?

As to the response concerning separation of church and state, That was ment to defend the churches against state interference but the state needed to look to the church as a conscience and place that taught good citizenship.

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As to the response concerning separation of church and state,

Fragment (consider revising).

Added something to render the fragment moot.

I'm a Christian and will proudly vote against banning it in 2012 in my state. If there are any organized protests of false churches (Catholic, Mormon or fundie ones that support it) like there were in California with Prop 8 I will be there.

What would you consider a fundie denomination. Name them. I'll give you the LDS because of certain things they deny about Jesus.

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What would you consider a fundie denomination. Name them. I'll give you the LDS because of certain things they deny about Jesus.

Any denomination that has as a member a nut job like you.

Do
You want to throw Elvis Presley, Gov. Sarah Palin, the Jonas Brothers, Kris Allen, AttGen John Aschroft under the bus too? Because if you you throw me you
would throw them under it too.

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What would you consider a fundie denomination. Name them. I'll give you the LDS because of certain things they deny about Jesus.

Any denomination that has as a member a nut job like you.

Do
You want to throw Elvis Presley, Gov. Sarah Palin,Smit Wigglesworth,  the Jonas Brothers, Kris Allen, AttGen John Aschroft under the bus too? Because if you you throw me you
would throw them under it too.

Yes.

Hell yes!

It's the ones that ordain gay ministers that sadly must be thrown under that bus. Not the fundies. Can the left just admit that the fundies are right on this one.