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Einzige Mk. II
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« on: December 22, 2010, 01:27:26 PM »

If 'gay therapy' worked, it would work for everyone - you wouldn't expect to see failures like this. That's one of the reasons why Freudian psychoanalysis is pseudoscientific: unlike real medical treatment, it's 'selective', at best. The same criticism applies threefold to the 'ex-gay' movement.
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« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2010, 01:51:32 PM »

The ex-gay movement doesn't mark success in terms of people who become straight--it does so in terms of people who try to suppress their same-sex sex drive and or get married, neither of which is the same.

Anyone remember John Paulk, who was a national spokesman for one of these groups until he was caught going into a gay bar in Washington, D.C.?

The women who marry these men are also victims.

In other words, the ex-gay movement actually prides itself on failure -- if an individual is still 'struggling' with his or her homoerotic feelings, he's certainly not 'ex-gay'. But it's the thought that counts, dammit!
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« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2010, 02:10:56 PM »
« Edited: December 22, 2010, 02:12:34 PM by Einzige Mk. II »

that's a very dumb statement considering no kind of therapy works 100% of the time

You're absolutely right. Which is why psychology generally is considered a 'soft science' by its most lenient of critics, and an outright fraud by its most severe. 'Gay therapy' fails not only because its claim to metaphysical surety is a scam, but also because it relies on the same old tried-and-tired quasi-Freudian theories that put all forms of psychology to the lie.


this whole tangential discussion of "therapy" and "ex-gay movement" is a straw-man, for I have never equated any "therapy"  or any 12 step program to a cleansing by Christ.  these programs are man attempted reformation, not Christ enabled recreation.

Most 'ex-gay' movements claim to be 'Christ enabled', and almost invariably rely upon heavyhanded moralizing funneled through a 'Biblical worldview' to be effective.  

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You have created a world where it is literally impossible for you to be wrong. Any homosexual Christians are reprobate backsliders who aren't real Christians; conversely, anything in Christianity that can be considered true axiomatically validates your claims. You have effectively monopolized metaphysics.
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« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2010, 02:45:26 PM »

look, I never said I couldn't be wrong, rather I simply allow the bible to be my guide between right and wrong within the realm of the areas it addresses, and I believe same-sex sex is one of the areas it addresses.

And yet you presume that your own reading of 'scripture' is privileged at the expense of any other possible interpretations. That's one of the many, many theoretically difficulties of a hardline sola scriptura stance.

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