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Napoleon
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« on: November 18, 2012, 07:06:54 PM »

Now we're touching foreign aid? So this is simultaneously a work of protectionist reaction and Randian isolationist amorality? This may just actually be the worst piece of legislation I have ever seen.

A simple assessment of our current policies is neither protectionist nor isolationist.
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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2012, 12:46:48 AM »

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Appointments have always been the responsibility of the President so this is my redraft.

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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2012, 11:01:16 AM »

Its the Senate that chooses not to cooperate time and time again. If the Senate truly believes I or others will take a report of scab appointees seriously, then they can make that choice but I don't see how that would be in the best interest of this country. It's not an appeal to tradition so much as its protection of executive powers. The Senate will not be allowed to usurp that.
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2012, 12:27:45 PM »

Lol there is certainly no threat here.

If the Senate wants to use the committee relevance excuse then task the committee with this job, no need to appoint anyone.
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2012, 12:51:37 PM »

Given the President's past actions, I would not trust his judgement to appoint qualified people and/or a variety of opinions on free trade.

What past actions?
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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2012, 01:03:44 PM »

Morgie, Afleitch, Morgie, Morgie, Morgie

Morgue was replaced as soon as was possible.
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2012, 02:09:19 PM »

Morgie, Afleitch, Morgie, Morgie, Morgie

Morgue was replaced as soon as was possible.

Yeah, after I PMed him and introduced articles of impeachment. Maybe you were waiting until you'd found a replacement, but you did nothing to indicate that was the case.

He had previously stated he would be stepping down.
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2012, 05:34:54 PM »

He had previously stated he would be stepping down.

He pledged to resign after the election. Several weeks later, he had taken no action, so I PMed him.

His response was to ask me how he could resign. I had to link him to the swearing in thread and tell him what he needed to say. (He responded promptly to my message, and he posts frequently  on other parts of the forum, so the issue clearly wasn't that he'd simply not been around.)

I should not have had to do that. You're the president. It's your responsibility to communicate with your appointees and keep tabs on their performance. When they neglect their jobs and you fail to follow up with them, you are accountable.

Uh, you didn't have to do that?

There is no thread for resigning. That thread is for swearing in.
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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2012, 05:58:21 PM »

Gotta love the ex-post-facto tinkering.

I really don't care one way or the other about whether it's the president or the committee who appoints these individuals. Such a small issue should not be make-or-break, so I don't know why it would be presented as such at the end of deliberations with a re-draft. Indicating a preference for these changes earlier would have been a lot friendlier. Oh well.

I wasn't here.
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2012, 07:29:31 PM »

Nay

At this point, my desire would be to get to a point where debate could be resumed, ditch the commission and just hand it to the NSC to do.

You wouldn't need to resume debate to do that.
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« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2012, 05:59:13 PM »

VETO
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« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2012, 11:38:43 PM »


This went about how I expected. Tongue
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