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« on: May 06, 2012, 02:47:19 PM »
« edited: May 06, 2012, 02:50:38 PM by ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ »

Polling shows that Jerry Brown's tax hike for the rich is in good shape. The Munger tax hike will fail, but that's not Jerry Brown's.

Jerry Brown's Prop does raise sales tax by 0.5%, but that doesn't affect rich people so the Republican party doesn't give a crap about that.
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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2012, 03:59:42 PM »

Polling shows that Jerry Brown's tax hike for the rich is in good shape. The Munger tax hike will fail, but that's not Jerry Brown's.

Jerry Brown's Prop does raise sales tax by 0.5%, but that doesn't affect rich people so the Republican party doesn't give a crap about that.

I thought the sales tax hike was reduced to 0.25% in the compromise. I liked his original plan where the top rate only went up by 2%. I would have voted for that. This might be counterproductive and with no real pension reforms it is just wrong.

OK, you're right. This is the one that had the signatures submitted.

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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2012, 07:00:45 PM »

Both "Party of No" and "Party of Yes" are stupid rhetoric. Both implicitly assume the golden mean fallacy, that compromising is necessarily good, or even just occasionally voting for something the other side produces regardless of whether it represents a compromise.

Agreed, compromising for compromises sakes doesn't work so well. For example the Catholic Centrist party and Chamberlain look pretty stupid in retrospect for compromising with Hitler.
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2012, 12:38:55 AM »

     "Party of Yes" sounds weird, but it's still a positive branding move. I suspect that standing for negation doesn't exactly excite voters. Smiley

As the first paragraph of the article explains, this was a deliberate effort to counter their labeling by the CA Democrats as the 'Party of No'.  The problem is that their very first act as the 'Party of Yes' is to ask voters to say 'no' to Jerry Brown's tax proposition.

     Addressing the self-evident does not interest me. Commenting on the surprising competence of the CAGOP's strategy (even if it is really rather hypocritical) does.

The California GOP is basically a troll party. They wanted redistricting by a special commission. We got redistricting by that commission. And now they got this piece of crap on the ballot.

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_Referendum_on_the_State_Senate_Redistricting_Plan_%282012%29
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2012, 02:33:58 AM »

    "Party of Yes" sounds weird, but it's still a positive branding move. I suspect that standing for negation doesn't exactly excite voters. Smiley

As the first paragraph of the article explains, this was a deliberate effort to counter their labeling by the CA Democrats as the 'Party of No'.  The problem is that their very first act as the 'Party of Yes' is to ask voters to say 'no' to Jerry Brown's tax proposition.

     Addressing the self-evident does not interest me. Commenting on the surprising competence of the CAGOP's strategy (even if it is really rather hypocritical) does.

Contradicting their brand new slogan at its press launch doesn't really strike me as very competent, tbh.

     It's pretty good for them; at least they recognized the problem & attacked it. In general, their operations have been a strategic trainwreck for years. They've struggled to maintain what little power they've had, while eliminating any future opportunities for growth in the process.

The CA GOP's problem is that they are a bunch of extreme lunatics. They probably wouldn't be so dead if they took a page from the Rhode Island Republicans and stopped being extreme right-wingers in a liberal state.

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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2012, 04:03:03 AM »

     "Party of Yes" sounds weird, but it's still a positive branding move. I suspect that standing for negation doesn't exactly excite voters. Smiley

As the first paragraph of the article explains, this was a deliberate effort to counter their labeling by the CA Democrats as the 'Party of No'.  The problem is that their very first act as the 'Party of Yes' is to ask voters to say 'no' to Jerry Brown's tax proposition.

     Addressing the self-evident does not interest me. Commenting on the surprising competence of the CAGOP's strategy (even if it is really rather hypocritical) does.

Contradicting their brand new slogan at its press launch doesn't really strike me as very competent, tbh.

     It's pretty good for them; at least they recognized the problem & attacked it. In general, their operations have been a strategic trainwreck for years. They've struggled to maintain what little power they've had, while eliminating any future opportunities for growth in the process.

The CA GOP's problem is that they are a bunch of extreme lunatics. They probably wouldn't be so dead if they took a page from the Rhode Island Republicans and stopped being extreme right-wingers in a liberal state.



     Yeah, they need to nominate better candidates who are better suited to the politics of the state. When you choose Carly Fiorina over Tom Campbell, something is very wrong.

Well, the state legislature in particular.  For some reason Abel Maldonado was seen as some sort of liberal because he extracted a very high price from the Democrats for his vote for the budget while every other Republican voted against it. Of course they don't have their own budget. They're just the party of no, trying to obstruct. Good think voters scrapped that stupid 2/3rds majority to pass a simple budget. 2/3rds is still needed to raise taxes, though.
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