DNC software breach gave Sanders campaign confidential Clinton Data

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"Run to the media" What was the DNC going to do? Cut off Bernie's access without saying anything?

Just read this.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/1461610

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"Run to the media" What was the DNC going to do? Cut off Bernie's access without saying anything?

Just read this.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/1461610

I did, and it does not support anything you said.

It was discussing what the DNC should have done. Running to the media or cutting off access indefinitely were no nos.

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How weird that this story first breaks around midnight EST and it looks like cooler heads prevailed at the DNC around midnight EST.

Look, it's rather obvious that the DNC made this into a news story because - under DWS' terrible leadership - she thought it would be just a glorious hit against the Sanders campaign. Considering that the DNC's legalistic approach would only make sense if they were going to permanently withhold the data (which would be hilariously incompetent on their part and would lead to a literal civil war within the party), stating that they would "temporarily suspend access" was an asinine thing to do from an operational standpoint. Considering the breach had already been resolved and that unless the Sanders campaign had a team of hackers who could break into the Clinton data - but only if they had access to their own voter file - restricting access makes literally no sense. Complain about ethics and theft all you want: you know it makes absolutely no sense to maintain a suspension.

The fact that they appear to be reversing course so soon after the fact is either a) an indicator that they believe sufficient damage has been done, or b) they determined that it has not played out as they had hoped. I cannot specify which of those is the case, but I find it hard to believe that this has done any actual damage to Sanders, at minimum.

The Bernie campaign was claiming damages of over $600k a day. Now this has been a day, but there is some possibility that could be offset from increased donations from angry supporters. But there's also the effect of having this story go to the media in the first place.

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Sounds like DWS had to cave when a solid lawsuit showed up that was going to bring up some ugly process of discovery for her. That's how Hillary's email problems started. I bet DWS would have continued this sh**t if there wasn't a solid lawsuit that was going to cause all sorts of problems. Good for the Bernie campaign for putting together such a lawsuit on such short notice.

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Bernie campaign says that DNC caved. DNC confirms that they are restoring access.

https://twitter.com/maryaliceparks?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

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DWS needs to be removed immediately as DNC chair, she is actively damaging the party with her incompetence. If Obama cares at all about his legacy he would remove her.

Supposedly she was going to claim sexism and anti-semitism if he fired her.

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DWS needs to be removed immediately as DNC chair, she is actively damaging the party with her incompetence. If Obama cares at all about his legacy he would remove her.

I am starting to think she f**d up mid term elections to get back at him.

Most likely either incompetence or laziness.

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Doesn't DWS' term end after the 2016 election? I can't imagine her staying on as DNC chair.

She's already several months longer than any DNC chair since the 1960s.

DWS needs to be removed immediately as DNC chair, she is actively damaging the party with her incompetence. If Obama cares at all about his legacy he would remove her.

I am starting to think she f**d up mid term elections to get back at him.

Most likely either incompetence or laziness.

She gets no credit for 2008 and 2012. Zero results as DNC.

Tim Kaine was the loser who gave us the 2010 midterm. Dean was chair for the 2008 election.

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The DNC heeled right before a scheduled 11pm meeting with a judge. Bernie wasn't messing around. The DNC would probably have locked him out of his own data for months if he hadn't gotten federal judges who would be very interested in the internal workings of the DNC and how cozy they are with the Hillary campaign. DWS didn't heel for any reason but self preservation. This will not be forgotten nor forgiven.

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http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/bernie-sanders-presidential-campaign-sues-dnc-over-clinton-data-breach-n482941

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Here's some damning evidence, but based on some of the performances in this thread, some people will just close their eyes and try to drown it out.

It sounds like the data was never actually viewed, just saved elsewhere on the system. The DNC and Hillary campaign really blew this out of proportion.

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Searching by data in VAN produces the results of that search -- in other words, it's viewing the data.

Those logs are completely consistent with intentionally accessing and saving the data.

Nothing was downloaded nor exported.

http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-data-breach-controversy/

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Searching by data in VAN produces the results of that search -- in other words, it's viewing the data.

Those logs are completely consistent with intentionally accessing and saving the data.

Nothing was downloaded nor exported.

http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-data-breach-controversy/

All right, so we have NGP VAN's official statements, and these logs.  I'm not sure what the origin of the logs is (it seems to be a narrative adaptation of the raw logs), but do you not agree that they're inconsistent with the description NGP is given?  I imagine you've probably seen VAN?  Creating a folder, running a search, and then saving the results of that search into the folder does effectively save that data.  Even if that was not done successfully, what else could these logs possibly mean, besides an attempt to save that data?

If there's an answer to that, I'm open to it, but my experience with VAN doesn't suggest any other explanation.

Well, I don't know anything about the system, but it seemed like they were just collecting files in one folder so that they could say how serious the bug was. But who knows. Either way, the guy got fired.

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Well, I don't know anything about the system

Clearly.  And yet here we are, 15 pages in.

Because Hillary and the DNC made a bad political move and then caved in.

There are really two separate discussions here -- what transpired, and what a reasonable reaction to it is -- and while the latter question is possibly affected by the former question, the former question certainly isn't affected by the latter.  You don't think it's reasonable to discuss how the campaign staffers behaved, and whether it makes sense to punish campaigns for abuses of discretion by high-level staffers?

The problem with answering your question is that the Sanders folk have spent most of this thread claiming that the Sanders campaign has done absolutely nothing wrong.

It doesn't really matter, the guy was immediately fired. The DNC showed their favortism to Bernie by locking him out until his lawsuit made them heel.

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Well, I don't know anything about the system

Clearly.  And yet here we are, 15 pages in.

Because Hillary and the DNC made a bad political move and then caved in.

There are really two separate discussions here -- what transpired, and what a reasonable reaction to it is -- and while the latter question is possibly affected by the former question, the former question certainly isn't affected by the latter.  You don't think it's reasonable to discuss how the campaign staffers behaved, and whether it makes sense to punish campaigns for abuses of discretion by high-level staffers?

This is no way to ban access to the politicians own data....the DNC has gone too far and knows it has.

What do you mean?  The VAN is a platform that provides publicly-accessible data and proprietary party data, allows you to add in your own proprietary data, and then lets you use all those data sets for analysis and voter mobilization.  Are you arguing that the VAN is obligated to allow the Sanders campaign access to the data it has stored on their platform, even if they have broken the terms of service for that platform?

If they stored it on the VAN, and didn't back it up, there certainly is a way to "ban" access to a politicians' own data.  That appears to be part of why the Sanders campaign is so upset (although the platform's ubiquity and features are obviously also important).

I agree that it's rather punitive to deny access to the platform because some staffers abused their discretion, but you have to enforce agreements somehow or they're meaningless and there's no disincentive to do stuff like this.  Also, again, even if the DNC's reaction was excessive, that doesn't mean that there wasn't a major abuse of discretion on the Sanders staffers' part.

The contract said it couldn't be ended without a 10 day notice, and it doesn't say anything about accessing other data anyways. And the Hillary campaign in 2008 had access to other campaign's data. This was about the DNC punishing Bernie for daring to run against the chosen one. They really overstepped until the very real threat of discovery from a federal lawsuit made them heel.

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Well, I don't know anything about the system

Clearly.  And yet here we are, 15 pages in.

Because Hillary and the DNC made a bad political move and then caved in.

There are really two separate discussions here -- what transpired, and what a reasonable reaction to it is -- and while the latter question is possibly affected by the former question, the former question certainly isn't affected by the latter.  You don't think it's reasonable to discuss how the campaign staffers behaved, and whether it makes sense to punish campaigns for abuses of discretion by high-level staffers?

The problem with answering your question is that the Sanders folk have spent most of this thread claiming that the Sanders campaign has done absolutely nothing wrong.

One person did something wrong and was fired for that, no problem...it became an issue when DWS put out her outrageous comment towards the Sanders campaign and showed her true colors.

I've now heard claims that four usernames were involved, so why were we thinking it's only one guy?

Look, even if you think that the DNC is being punitive here (totally possible), I'll repeat my question: how else do you enforce terms of agreement for access to a data platform, besides revoking that access and/or publicly embarrassing those responsible?

Putting aside that the DNC may have have it out for Sanders (totally true), this isn't far from how you'd expect a bureaucracy to respond when: 1) someone has compromised the integrity of the most valuable asset they have as an organization; and, 2) they have no other leverage besides talking that asset away and calling out the person who compromised it.

What about that do you disagree with?

There was one guy with 3 accounts. I'm guessing the other guy didn't really do anything. The contract said they can give a 10 day notice to terminate, and other other party is allowed to remedy the situation in those 10 days,  but that's not what the DNC did.

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The contract said it couldn't be ended without a 10 day notice, and it doesn't say anything about accessing other data anyways.

Can you link me to the full contract?  It's apparently different than the VAN contract I have, which doesn't contain this clause but definitely does contain a clause about access to third-party data.  The version of the Sanders complaint I've seen does not have this as an appendix.

And the Hillary campaign in 2008 had access to other campaign's data. This was about the DNC punishing Bernie for daring to run against the chosen one. They really overstepped until the very real threat of discovery from a federal lawsuit made them heel.

OK, that may be true.  The DNC may be hacks and terrible people.  That is a separate issue from the substantive claims about what happened here, and what the reasonable reaction to it is.  If you get arrested for shoplifting and get off because your daddy is the sheriff, my reaction isn't going to be, "well, for consistency, we should never arrest someone for shoplifting before."  It's going to be "well, that's unethical and stupid -- let's make sure that never happens again."

Pointing out the hypocrisy here does not invalidate the questions I'm asking, which no one has bothered to answer so far.

The contract is in the lawsuit. Also note discussion of a prior incident involving the Hillary campaign that had no discipline.

http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000151-b72f-d1ae-add5-f76f14db0001

The staffer was immediately fired and they said his behavior was unacceptable.

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I agree with if you thought there was a breach you would suspend both campaigns access but they only did Sanders so it shows the democratic voters how bias the chair is (Recently with the debates/forums on weekends and Fridays) and they are playing with fire...this debate on Saturday is now very important and could be pivotal.

It was clearly a punishment. But the chosen one didn't get punished for the same thing.

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"The staffer" = Sanders campaign National Data Director.  This part keeps getting deliberately forgotten.

He got fired so what point are you even making?

Hillary supporters just like making excuses for the DNC pulling sh**t with Bernie. They must be sad that Bernie's lawsuit made the DNC heel. Hopefully it continues and exposes what a terrible organization the DNC is. After all they lost access for a least a day (someone said 2) and they're seeking $600k in damages per day.

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So, four Sanders staffers illegally downloaded at least 20 folders of confidential Clinton data, So of course DWS and Hillary are the bad guys. well okeedokee then.

Only 2 staffers were involved, and I think the one who wasn't immediately fired might have only run 1 search or something.


Of course this was all OK and no punishment or running to the media was needed when the Hillary campaign got access to confidential information in 2008.

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So, four Sanders staffers illegally downloaded at least 20 folders of confidential Clinton data, So of course DWS and Hillary are the bad guys. well okeedokee then.

Only 2 staffers were involved, and I think the one who wasn't immediately fired might have only run 1 search or something.


Of course this was all OK and no punishment or running to the media was needed when the Hillary campaign got access to confidential information in 2008.

Somehow I don't think Jfern would have the same opinion if the roles were reversed. 

The roles were reversed in 2008. No punishment or running to the media, so I had no opinion about something that I didn't hear about.

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So, four Sanders staffers illegally downloaded at least 20 folders of confidential Clinton data, So of course DWS and Hillary are the bad guys. well okeedokee then.

Only 2 staffers were involved, and I think the one who wasn't immediately fired might have only run 1 search or something.

Of course this was all OK and no punishment or running to the media was needed when the Hillary campaign got access to confidential information in 2008.

"They did it too!" is not a logical argument, especially when the event you are referring to is not even comparable.

The staffer was fired and Bernie said what that staffer did was wrong. But the fact is that this didn't go the media and there was no punishment when Hillary did it, because the DNC didn't hate Hillary.

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Look the punishment was an overreaction, but we can't keep trying to justify what the campaign did. They botched their response so horribly, it almost made the overreaction look reasonable.

By the campaign do you mean the 1 staffer who was immediately fired?

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Look the punishment was an overreaction, but we can't keep trying to justify what the campaign did. They botched their response so horribly, it almost made the overreaction look reasonable.

By the campaign do you mean the 1 staffer who was immediately fired?

As others have said it was the National Data Director, so saying 1 staffer is misleading. I'm not saying Bernie was personally involved, I don't think he was, but something went wrong, and it doesn't do anybody any good to keep trying to justify that.

He's still only 1 staffer. He doesn't show up a single time on Google news until he was fired, so he was never considered an important enough staffer for any news site searched by Google to ever mention him.

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Interesting moment today.

A relative of mine who leans way to the right and is an avid Fox News/DrudgeReport fan went on a tangent this morning against the DNC and Clinton and said "Sanders is being robbed outright". So, maybe the public is siding with Bernie on this one?

Hillary Derangement Syndrome.

Yes, the 60% of Americans who say that Hillary isn't honest or trustworthy all suffer from Hillary Derangement Syndrome.

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Look the punishment was an overreaction, but we can't keep trying to justify what the campaign did. They botched their response so horribly, it almost made the overreaction look reasonable.

By the campaign do you mean the 1 staffer who was immediately fired?

As others have said it was the National Data Director, so saying 1 staffer is misleading. I'm not saying Bernie was personally involved, I don't think he was, but something went wrong, and it doesn't do anybody any good to keep trying to justify that.

He's still only 1 staffer. He doesn't show up a single time on Google news until he was fired, so he was never considered an important enough staffer for any news site searched by Google to ever mention him.

Two more Sanders staffers face disciplinary action following data breach

Go away this issue is over. Let this thread die in peace.

Obviously Bernie will fire anyone at fault. But what the DNC did in terms of cutting off his access to his own data, and running to the media to tell them stuff that the Bernie campaign didn't even know yet was a clear case of favortism to Hillary. Hopefully the lawsuit continues and does some serious damage to DWS.

Besides the DNC, the vendor is also rather cozy with Hillary. This stinks big time.