The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3

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https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/9tm9oo/i_am_senator_bernie_sanders_ask_me_anything/

Bernard has a Reddit AMA.

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He's running.

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Harris has been “building a network for black candidates”:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/kamala-harris-is-building-a-network-for-black-candidates.html

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Bernie was the only Senator to endorse Gillum in the primary. I guess he just wasn't the right type of black for Harris. Harris endorsed white Buffy Wicks over black Hispanic lesbian immigrant Jovanka Beckles. You only hear about identity politics when it benefits the establishment candidate.

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Harris has been “building a network for black candidates”:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/kamala-harris-is-building-a-network-for-black-candidates.html

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Bernie was the only Senator to endorse Gillum in the primary. I guess he just wasn't the right type of black for Harris. Harris endorsed white Buffy Wicks over black Hispanic lesbian immigrant Jovanka Beckles. You only hear about identity politics when it benefits the establishment candidate.

It's not like she endorsed Graham and tried to take Gillum down. But go off

She did endorse Buffy Wicks over Jovanka Beckles and Nancy O'Malley over Pamela Price. And she certainly didn't endorse an actually progressive black woman named K. Harris who ran for Senate in Delaware.

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Well, Sherrod Brown ended his victory speech with this:

"That is the message coming out of Ohio in 2018, and that is the blueprint for America for 2020."

That sounds like he's considering a run.

Well, he's one of the very few to consider if you want to win Ohio in 2020. Kamala Harris sure isn't.

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Brown's presidential campaign ended the moment the race was called for Mike DeWine, with the way the Senate it loosing right now any Dem Sen/GOP Gov is a no go.

Even Warren?

Or Bernie??

Vermont has a special election in 3 months, so it doesn't really matter.

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Harris has been “building a network for black candidates”:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/kamala-harris-is-building-a-network-for-black-candidates.html

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Bernie was the only Senator to endorse Gillum in the primary. I guess he just wasn't the right type of black for Harris. Harris endorsed white Buffy Wicks over black Hispanic lesbian immigrant Jovanka Beckles. You only hear about identity politics when it benefits the establishment candidate.

It's not like she endorsed Graham and tried to take Gillum down. But go off

She did endorse Buffy Wicks over Jovanka Beckles and Nancy O'Malley over Pamela Price. And she certainly didn't endorse an actually progressive black woman named K. Harris who ran for Senate in Delaware.

WHY DIDN'T SHE ENDORSE JOHN JAMES? SAD!

I'm talking about progressive blacks, not Republican blacks.

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It's a shame that the Democrats will end up nominating another candidate who plays the I'm Not Trump/identity politics card, only to get crushed in the states that are more willing to support a candidate like Bullock.

A candidate acknowledging that they are a woman and/or a person of color is not identity politics. Sending troops to the border to combat a "caravan" of defenseless brown women and children to win an election is identity politics.

Anyway I hope Bullock or Beto is the nominee because they both will make compelling candidates against Trump. Frontrunners like Biden, Warren, Booker, Harris, and Sanders will fall flat for a variety of reasons.

Hillary supporters always claimed that people who didn't support her were sexist and racist white males. That's definitely identity politics.

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Prospective 2020 Democratic candidates are participating in “friend-raisers”….”a small, informal gathering donors host for would-be candidates”, presumably with the intention of sounding out donors in preparation for a national run:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/416814-democrats-huddle-for-2020-friend-raisers

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Who has done it so far?:

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In other news, Merkley talks 2020 here:

https://kobi5.com/news/local-news/2020-senator-or-president-merkley-may-have-to-choose-89846/

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He also said it’s up to the Oregon legislature if they want to follow NJ’s lead and pass a new law to let him run for reelection while he runs for president, but mused that Oregon’s late primary may make that unnecessary, since he could run for president and if he doesn’t finish in the top tier in the early primaries, he’d still have time to drop out and run for reelection instead.  (Of course, Booker could do that too, but that didn’t stop the legislature from acting.)

That's pretty much a list of big money establishment hack candidates there. No mention of Terry Mcauliffe, though. That would be right up his alley.

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Obama and Clinton administration aides are throwing Beto O'Rourke into the mix.

I'm willing to bet that Deval Patrick and Eric Holder have taken quite a hit on the Obamaworld list.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/obama-aides-say-beto-o-rourke-reminds-them-ex-president-n942576

Yeah, I don't need someone who reminds me of Obama.

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https://twitter.com/amanbatheja/status/1073709813123739648

Seems like a lot of hubris from Biden thinking people will bend over backwards to be his VP through the primary. I have no idea why Beto or any other major candidate would hitch onto a Biden ticket.

In 2016, Biden wanted Warren as his running mate. Just LOL at Biden.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/joe-biden-elizabeth-warren-223104

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Eric Holder suddenly endorses Medicare for All, for some reason.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/15/eric-holder-democrats-obamacare-ruling-medicare/

Next you know, he'll suddenly endorse investigating Robert Rubin for lying about subprime mortgages.

Just kidding, that won't happen.

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Yep, Sirota, Stoller and other bullsh**t artists aren't going to get traction this cycle. Not a Beto supporter but I have no patience for this purity nonsense that ignores Sanders problematic votes.

What purity? Bernie doesn't always vote the right way, but he votes the right way a lot more than some New Democrat. The thing is, we're willing to call out Bernie when he votes poorly like SESTA-FOSTA, while you will excuse any sh**tty vote.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-sexism.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR082Exbw6pzFCKajvZ9sATYBcFwt6H1XKbpVYp_p7a2PKss7ALp9cMla14

Bernie is no longer cool.

This doesn't involve Bernie. Bernie people made sure that Arturo Carmona didn't get elected to Congress.

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Beto supports a "Green New Deal."

Correction: A Beto spokesman was reported stating that the congressman is "supportive of the concept" of a Green New Deal - that is far from a pledge to fight for, much less endorse, the platform. Phrasing and word choice is important, folks.

For instance, I would be supportive of the concept of buying an electric car - but actually moving ahead with doing so is a different story.

Yes, this is different from Bernie working on an actual Green New Deal together with AOC.

Also Beto O'Rourke was not one of the 46 co-sponsors of the Off Fossil Fuels bill.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/3671/cosponsors

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I'm actually curious, aside from Sanders, is O'Rourke the only candidate on record for carbon pricing? I know Gillibrand supports Cap and Trade but **politically** the two do not mean the same thing.

Warren also supported the concept of a Green New Deal, without endorsing anything specific.

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https://twitter.com/jamespindell/status/1084199866551676929?s=21

Having worked with Liz before this is an amazing hire.

How are anyone remotely related to the Clinton clusterf**k even remotely hirable?

Hill won NH bruh

By the skin of her teeth lol. And only after two-thirds of the state’s Democrats rejected her in favor of Bernie.

Please do not act like you know anything about Hillary's NH staff.

Please don’t act like being part of or connected to the most middle tier levels of Clinton’s Staff is some kind of accomplishment or something to be proud of.

Gotcha me offering my thoughts on someone I worked with was definitely that 🙄. I’m sorry I upset you.

Hillary went from 74% in a poll to 37% of the vote in NH. A very poor choice by Warren.

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Her announcement video is fantastic-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=13P1KqMfxiI

How many of that video's 209 views have come from this forum?

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Brown Sanders Warren is going to be a very left wing group. You add how left people like Booker Harris Gillibrand have moved, the primaries will look completely different ideologically & policy wise than in 2016.

And that's saying a lot because 2016 really didn't have that much of a substance-based contrast between Clinton and Sanders, contrary to popular belief.

Bernie did his best to keep it about the issues. But Hillary people avoided the issues, except for gun control, which was suddenly the most important issue ever since Bernie had a D- rather than an F from the NRA.

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"Biden allies" say that the fact that the Bide-man has missed his self-imposed deadlines for making a decision doesn't mean he's not going to run:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/427052-biden-allies-say-he-doesnt-have-to-rush-into-race

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LOL Biden. He was thinking of running in 1980, 1984, 2000, 2004, and 2016, and dropped out before Iowa in 1988. 2008 was the only time he made it Iowa where he immediately dropped out afterwards.

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The Root has an interview with Booker that they released this afternoon, in which he says he’ll make a decision “some time in the next month”:

Well, he's not Biden, who after a month still hasn't actually made a decision.

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Bloomberg, Biden and TMac now reconsidering and less likely to run due to Dem leftward shift.

It's not 1996 anymore. Thank god.

1996 was more "left" than today. A 6-3 center-left supreme court majority, more progressive tax structure, more financial regulations in place, ICE didn't exist, no Patriot Act, housing more affordable, less debt, lower deficit, no Fox News, etc.

That was because there was 22 fewer years of neoliberals in power, not because the neoliberals weren't in power.

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Biden's back and forth starts getting pathetic at this point. I know this is not an easy decision, but why not giving yourself a defnite deadline and then enforce it? Can this be so hard? Presidents have to make lots of decisions and then live with it. Come on.

He did this crap back in 2015 too. It's getting ridiculous at this point

He thought about running in 1980, 1984, and 2004 as well. He didn't make it Iowa in 1988, and dropped out after Iowa in 2008.

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https://twitter.com/RyanLizza/status/1092917305552617472

BETOMANIA CONFIRMED to be decided upon in the next 24 days.

Assuming he's not Joe Biden and just bidin' his time.

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I love how JPK III gave a fine, but uninspiring SOTU response last year and for a week or so half of Atlas was sure he was going to be coronated President in 2021, or at least be the next VP. Then Stacey Abrams brings down the roof this year and there are 0 "Abrams 2020??!?!???!?" threads on this board that I can find. I don't think she should run, but she'd be a better candidate and President than any of the living Kennedys.

Being more inspiring than empty suit Joe Kennedy III doesn't mean you'd be a great Presidential candidate.

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Good news on Biden, he's the candidate most suited to beat Trump. Atlas vastly underrates him when compared to people in real life's opinion. It's ridiculous.

It makes me feel like the Dems are about to do what the GOP did so many times during the Obama administration and throw away a winnable race during the primary a la Christine O'Donnell, Richard Mourdock, and Todd Akin.

Nominating just about any of the candidates running qualifies as throwing away the nomination. The Democratic Party isn't sending its best, folks!

Dude, if only we'd wise up and draft Neil Abercrombie

Naw, forget that. We need a ticket of experienced state legislators from Arkansas to bring back the WWC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_McCuiston
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milt_Earnhart