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jfern
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« on: March 22, 2019, 05:00:07 PM »

Maybe Mueller can indict some officials for colluding with Israel now.
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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2019, 05:32:35 PM »

Even without indictments there could be terrible information in that report. People can do unethical things and still not break the law. The court of public opinion can judge based on anything and that is what Republicans fail to understand. You can't force people to vote for Trump just because he wasn't indicted.

Every President for decades has done terrible things.
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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2019, 05:35:26 PM »

But #Resistance neolibs told me that Mueller the Bush administration official would save the American Republic.

How could our trust in someone who promoted Iraqi imminent threat to distract from the fact that the FBI had a terrorist in custody that they knew wanted to fly a plane into the WTC and did nothing fail us?
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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2019, 06:52:29 PM »

Robert Mueller is one of the greatest Republicans since Lincoln. Pure class!

LOL, am I the only person whose opinion of Mueller hasn't changed?
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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2019, 02:47:20 PM »

Let me know if this is incorrect, but we’ve known since the beginning that Mueller was going to follow DOJ guidelines that you don’t indict a sitting president, so a lack of any further indictments from the Mueller team literally tells us nothing that we didn’t already know about specific details against Trump personally.

Weren't Donald Jr. or Jared supposed to be indicted?
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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2019, 12:30:43 AM »

I'm ROFL right now, watching the Echo Chamber explode in frustration.  It really is amazing.

The Mueller investigation wasn't about investigating a crime.  It was about investigating Trump, personally, and individuals close to him.  This would be great if you had reasonable suspicion that Trump committed an actual crime, but that was not the case.

I have, for a long time, stated that I was waiting for the Mueller Report to come in before I drew any conclusions as to what Trump did or didn't do.  Well the report is in, and not only did the report not indicate an indictment for Trump, it indicated that (A) there would be no recommendations for further indictments, (B) there was no indication that Trump would have been indicted if he were not President, and (C) neither Trump, nor anyone else, was named as unindicted co-conspirators.  There was no "collusion" (whatever that means) and any interference in our elections by Russia was done by Russians, and not in conjunction with Trump's campaign.

The Democrats, of course, could accept this and go forward with actually allowing the government to function.  They are showing themselves as no better than the GOP and its endless investigations of Hillary, who WAS being investigated for a specific crime.  (That's a difference between Hillary and Trump that cries out for recognition.)  There is no evidence that Donald Trump, nor anyone else "obstructed justice".  And it's a little hard to say this when you can't point to a specific crime that was covered up.

How Donald Trump has conducted himself as President involves a number of relevant issues.  His Tweets are often indefensible in terms of taste and level of pettiness.  His policies are a matter for debate as he ran as a different kind of Republican and turned out to be pretty much a standard GOP conservative, with some shifts away from free trade and internationalism.  Let the politics begin, by all means.  Let the case against Trump's record in office, in terms of he actions and accomplishments as President be examined and discussed.  But let the political judgment also be rendered against a mindless Democratic Party that opts to investigate the investigation, and investigate the investigators investigating the investigation.  They are continuing the "investigation" solely to find some juicy tidbits that will serve their campaign well, and there is something very wrong with that, no matter who is doing it.

The specific crime is the hacking of a Presidential campaign and political party. The 21st century version of the Watergate break-in. That was a major crime with huge impacts, unlike whatever happened with Hillary's e-mails which literally had zero impact.

Well, yes, and those individuals (most of the Russian Nationals) have been charged.
And it’s still illegal to cover up other people’s crimes.
And there's no probable cause to believe that Trump, or anyone on his campaign staff or current staff did so.  That's why there's no indictments; there's no probable cause.  No indictments.  No unindicted co-conspirators.  

Donald Trump is not, and should not. be above the law.  But he shouldn't be below the law, either.  The latter is something you and folks like you here seem to think is OK.  It's not, and his being Trump doesn't make it so.

And while I feel for the American people and the American taxpayers that have had to endure this, I am, quite frankly, celebrating the intense, wrenching angst that the intellectually dishonest Echo Chamber Posse are going through now.  Not everyone here, mind you.  Just the Echo Chamber Posse.  You know who you are. 

Did you have similar emotions with the endless Benghazi investigations that ultimately found nothing to incriminate Hillary Clinton? 

Of course, the Russia and Benghazi investigations are not exactly the same -even if Mueller ultimately found no evidence of collusion or conspiracy by Trump or his campaign with the Russian government, he found enough instances of corruption and underhanded dealings to warrant further investigations.  Consider the indictments and prison sentences already handed down.  And you cannot blame us for believing that there was something there.  Trump acted like he was guilty of something.  It looked like a duck, acted like a duck, and quacked like a duck. Surely you can forgive us for thinking it was a duck. 

The Republicans yelling Benghazi were batsh**t crazy lunatics beating a dead horse, but the Democrats outdid them with their Russian nonsense.
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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2019, 04:57:48 PM »

Mueller seeming to have never heard of Fusion GPS is just sad.
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2019, 04:25:41 PM »

Mueller seeming to have never heard of Fusion GPS is just sad.
Not as sad as your Michael Tracey arch of having an unhealthy hatred for Clinton which devolved into an unhealthy hatred for Russiagate which lead to you spewing Trumper talking points

There's nothing Trumper about despising the starting of a new cold war to distract from how sh**tty he Democratic party is.
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