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Pyro
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« on: November 13, 2017, 01:35:20 PM »

Absolutely.
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« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2017, 04:44:11 PM »


What for? The Bloody Sunday massacre in 1905? The Tsar didn't order that, and he wasn't even in St. Petersburg at the time.



The tsar's call for war puts him at blame for Russian casualties pre-1917.
An estimated 25,000-140,000 Germans died during the forced deportation from Volhynia.
The death count is unmeasured for that of POWs held and tortured by the tsar's forces during the war.
The invasion/massacre of Northern & Eastern Turkey was an orchestrated mass murder of Turks and Kurds.
There were countless lives lost as a result of the Czar-encouraged Pogroms.

Nicholas II was an autocratic tyrant and mass murderer if there ever was one.
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2017, 10:25:05 AM »


What for? The Bloody Sunday massacre in 1905? The Tsar didn't order that, and he wasn't even in St. Petersburg at the time.



The tsar's call for war puts him at blame for Russian casualties pre-1917.
An estimated 25,000-140,000 Germans died during the forced deportation from Volhynia.
The death count is unmeasured for that of POWs held and tortured by the tsar's forces during the war.
The invasion/massacre of Northern & Eastern Turkey was an orchestrated mass murder of Turks and Kurds.
There were countless lives lost as a result of the Czar-encouraged Pogroms.

Nicholas II was an autocratic tyrant and mass murderer if there ever was one.

I repeat my question then - how do you call Bolshevicks then? They killed tens or may be hundreds times people more, including almost all leading members of their own party

The topic is about the tsar, the actions of the Bolsheviks are irrelevant for this discussion.
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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2017, 06:13:28 PM »


What for? The Bloody Sunday massacre in 1905? The Tsar didn't order that, and he wasn't even in St. Petersburg at the time.



The tsar's call for war puts him at blame for Russian casualties pre-1917.
An estimated 25,000-140,000 Germans died during the forced deportation from Volhynia.
The death count is unmeasured for that of POWs held and tortured by the tsar's forces during the war.
The invasion/massacre of Northern & Eastern Turkey was an orchestrated mass murder of Turks and Kurds.
There were countless lives lost as a result of the Czar-encouraged Pogroms.

Nicholas II was an autocratic tyrant and mass murderer if there ever was one.

That logic would make every wartime leader in history a mass murderer. "Mass murder" as a charge works best as intentionally killing civilians, especially in peacetime.

An example of a mass murderer during World War I would be Enver Pasha intentionally trying to wipe out every man, woman, and child of Armenian heritage on the premise that the entire ethnic group was a Russian fifth column.

Edit: Fixed typo.

Not every war leader is a mass murderer because not every war leader instigates and initiates war. Each power in Europe was, obviously, partially to blame for the world war, but it cannot be said of Nicholas II that he did not hunger for it. Diplomatic negotiations were still underway as the tsar mobilized the army, greatly heightening tensions through intimidation and assuring a German retaliation. The autocrat's incompetence and mismanagement over the course of the war left soldiers without sufficient munitions. Knowing full well the cost, he authorized millions of untrained and ill-supplied men to die in the meat-grinder of the Eastern Front. As previously inferred, this is only a (granted, huge) piece of this puzzle if one is to cite Nicholas II as a mass murderer - which is an appropriate statement imo.
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