MN Sen Recount (UPDATE: Stuart Smalley certified winner, lawsuit forthcoming)

[Keystone Phil]

spineless sell-out? 

Did I say that? Silly me. I don't know who I could have been talking about. My sincerest apologies.




Chill with the paranoia, my friend!

[Keystone Phil]

If the Republicans picked up two seats in 2010 it'd be a major upset.  Three would be a revolution

Dude, come on. Wait and see how things go nationally.

[Keystone Phil]

If the Republicans picked up two seats in 2010 it'd be a major upset.  Three would be a revolution

Dude, come on. Wait and see how things go nationally.

Am I being unreasonable?  Outline the reasonable scenario where the Republicans gain 3+X or more and the Democrats gain less than X.

I'm not saying that you're being totally unreasonable. We don't have the "right" seats up in 2010. That being said, give Obama has bad first half of his first term and then the fact that midterms are typically bad for the party in power, we may see the GOP get quite a few seats. All I'm saying is that you shouldn't rule it out. You guys are getting way too cocky. Look at Iosif's post above mine. He's already saying that Obama will have coattails in 2012.

[Keystone Phil]

Crossing your fingers and hoping Obama screws up isn't really the best policy for the Republican party.

I'm not doing that. I'm entertaining the possibility that he won't be popular. I guess that's not possible to his fans.

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And the Dems were rejected in 2002 and 2004. The GOP was on course for 60 seats in 2006. How'd that work out?

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Again, if things are bad for Obama and the Dems, the seats we now consider "Very likely Dem" could be tossups.

I have no comment on 2012, don't change the subject to be "you guys" and talk about something I didn't say in order to prove your point -- that extremely intellectually dishonest.  I do think that the GOP gaining 2 seats in 2010 would be a major  upset and gaining 3 seats would be indicative of something larger (I called it a "revolution" - but perhaps a more accurate term could be supplies - "A MAJOR SHIFT?")

I'm not changing the subject. I'm talking about 2010 and you ruled it out. Don't accuse me of being intellectually dishonest when you know I was talking about 2010 and you won't entertain what I'm talking about.

If Obama is unpopular, picking up two seats isn't some major upset. Popular incumbents can fall in bad years.

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So then how the hell was I being intellectually dishonest when I said that "you guys" don't see the GOP getting seats in 2010? I mentioned one person's post about 2012. It speaks to the overall cockiness.