Kerry: Saddam deserves special place in Hell

[John Dibble]

1. I think Bush would be inclined to agree with Kerry on this. Would you be criticizing Bush if he said the same thing?

2. Saddam isn't a Christian anyways, so based on previous conversations with you he'll be going to hell simply for that reason if nothing else. The chances he'll convert are slim to none, and slim has left town.

3. You'll find that most people, Christians included, would think Saddam deserves to go to hell. And most of those people will also think he deserves worse than most who go there. Heck, since I'm going to hell anyways(not being a Christian and all) do you think I deserve the same punishment in hell as someone like Saddam, or Hitler, or Stalin, ect?

[John Dibble]

3. You'll find that most people, Christians included, would think Saddam deserves to go to hell. And most of those people will also think he deserves worse than most who go there. Heck, since I'm going to hell anyways(not being a Christian and all) do you think I deserve the same punishment in hell as someone like Saddam, or Hitler, or Stalin, ect?

So you think you are better than others?

1Tim 1:15 Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners–of whom I am the worst.

I think I'm better than Saddam and other tyrants who have no respect for other people's rights. I at least try to live my life by a moral code, giving myself restrictions and limitations on what I can do to others, even if I would like otherwise. Saddam and his ilk cared nothing for the lives of other people, doing whatever they pleased to anyone for no other reason than to serve themselves.

If that doesn't make me a better individual, then I don't know what does.

[John Dibble]

If that doesn't make me a better individual, then I don't know what does.

You can't get a little bit pregnant.

Alright, fine, if it'll make you happy I'll come out and say it. I AM BETTER THAN SADDAM HUSSEIN. Happy now? Does this mean I think I'm better than you? No, you are nothing like Saddam, regardless of our disagreements, so I have no reason to think I'm better than you or anyone else that has basic respect for the rights of others. Heck, there's probably someone who's better than me in this world - wouldn't suprise me in the least.

Also, I did not say that Saddam couldn't improve himself(though it is unlikely, as I did state). So long as one is alive, it's never too late to change one's philosophy. He'd have a hard time convincing me that he'd changed, but I wouldn't rule out the unlikely possibility(and of course, it's not me he'd have to convince, now is it?).

And finally, your 'little bit pregnant' really doesn't apply to this - in many areas there are degrees. There are various degrees of evil - or am I mistaken in thinking that some sins outweigh others?

[John Dibble]

You and John Dibble constantly express your rejection of religion, yet you are both eager to engage in religious arguments.

You reject agnosticism and atheism - would you not post in a post regarding it? Would you not argue your point of view, trying to convince others to believe the same or at the very least to educate those listening on an alternate viewpoint? This is a forum meant for debate, and I'm gonna debate damnit!

[John Dibble]

but god forbid we abolish the death penalty.

Well, maybe there is something to this whole god thing after all.

[John Dibble]

but god forbid we abolish the death penalty.

Please tell us what the death penality has to do with eternally judging someone.

If you kill someone, you cut off their opportunity to repent.  But what do I know, I'm Jewish.  I'll be atoning tonight.

Using that logic, a murderer who kills an unrepented sinner cuts off that person's opportunity to repent. Therefore would it not be fair to cut off the murderer's chance to repent?

[John Dibble]

but god forbid we abolish the death penalty.

Please tell us what the death penality has to do with eternally judging someone.

If you kill someone, you cut off their opportunity to repent.  But what do I know, I'm Jewish.  I'll be atoning tonight.

Using that logic, a murderer who kills an unrepented sinner cuts off that person's opportunity to repent. Therefore would it not be fair to cut off the murderer's chance to repent?

It might be "fair", but that's not the point.  Life isn't fair, now is it?

And here I thought it was liberals and whatnot who always were whining about 'fairness' and 'equal opportunity'(I don't know if you do or not). And if you're gonna go by a 'life isn't fair' policy, we might as well execute shoplifters - that's not fair either. So, thereby admitting we want the world to be at least somewhat fair, and the death penalty possibly being 'fair' then we can make the world more fair by using the death penalty.