Redistribution of Federal Electoral Districts 2012

[lilTommy]

I was under the impression ON would keep the 10 norhtern ridings? Like the provincial goverment had.

Looks like you could expand Algoma-manitoulin-Kapuskasing into either Sault-Ste.Marie (move the Algoma portion back) or Nickel belt (maybe move Kilarney and main-land Manitoulin, is that enough?) to get its size up... then to compensate, Nicket Belt could take from Sudbury or expand East or South into Nipissing-Timiskaming or Parry South Muskoka.
I think the bigger problem will be Kenora; Both Thunder Bay and Timmins-James Bay ridings are close to that 25% already so it would probably take a drastic re-draw to make Kenora on par with the 25%.
What are the defines of "special circumstances?

Hatman.. awesome! thanks for the pop map... your far too helpful, do you have a N.On version aswell?

[lilTommy]

I thought Kenora might be "special" due to a large rural, disperesed and probably heavy Aboriginal population... like Churchill in MAN

I actually would like to see all of Kenora Dis. in Kenora... so have the new riding be Kenora & Rainy River dists. so that give us about 77K
So that means Timmins shifts down, Taking back the area around Kapuskasing thats currently in Algoma. So thats about 10K back (assuming that compensates for the lost area). Name would be Timmins-Cochrane
Leaving Algoma the need to expand by taking all of the Algoma portion of SSM and the previously mentioned portions of Nickel belt (everything noth of Greater Sudbury; Killarney and main-land manitoulin)... at this point i start to get lost without populations But thats my general idea...
- Nicket belt to take from Subdury (which can afford some chop off) as well as from Nipissing-Tim. and PSM to compensate.
- Left TBs ridings alone
... what ya think?

[lilTommy]

NS - as we thought, really just shrinking of the ridings areound Halifax, enlarging the rest of the ridings in Rural NS.

Sackville - Porters Lake: Loses Musquodoboit which voted NDP, but gains in N.Dartmouth, which was more mixed Lib/NDP. With Stoffer still running, and much of that vote probably midlt solid Liberal (part of Dart. East provincially that went Liberal) its more competative but still NDP.

Halifax West: Where did it go! lol, lost everything south of the 103hwy, removing quite a few NDP and tory polls, i could be wrong but it looks to be safer for the Liberals now, as its more focused on Halifax(Rockingham) and Bedford which are strongly Liberal. A good target for the NDP but the Liberals will be desperate to keep it.

South Shore-St.Marg. : Gains the polls from Halifax west (around Shad Bay) a mix of NDP and Tory Polls... Also losses some area around Barrington out in Shelbourne which was tory. Still a battle between the NDP/Tories... could swing with whoever becomes gov't i think.

Capre Breton-Canso: grew to include some of St. Marys which looks tory, might be a tad more competative for the tories now

Central Nova: Gains Musquodoboit valley from Cumberland-Colchester... meaning maybe half-a dozen NDP polls are now included in the riding while it lost a few Tory polls. Still probably safe but MacKay's star is rusting nationally and a good NDP candidate might, just maybe knock-him out.

All in all the NDP could potentially gain two-three ridings here (SSst.M and Halifax west, maybe even Central Nova but the last two will be harder to win; the first being a three way the other being already strongly tory)

[lilTommy]

Here it is folks, part 3 of BC (Northern Lower Mainland)

http://canadianelectionatlas.blogspot.ca/2012/07/british-columbia-federal-riding.html

Great work! are you going to make a counter propsal map? I like your idea about the Seymour area being moved: " However, if you take out Squamish and Whistler from West Vancouver—Sunshine Coast—Sea to Sky Country, and move that riding into North Vancouver, and move North Vancouver eastward into the Seymour area, you solve this problem"

But what to do with Burnaby? and the Port Coquitlam splitting up issue?... (if this pop makes sense) could you not move the southern Port Moody in with North Burnaby? at least there is a natual connection... Burnaby North - Port Moody riding. It would still be an NDP/Tory battle it just looks like it makes more geographic and connective sense.
Then have Coquitlam and the area of Port Coquitlam which is in Pitt Meadow-Maple Ridge in the same riding. Coquitlam-Port Coquitlam riding.
Pitt Meadows-Maple ridge is now even smaller... but what if all of Maple Ridge is included in this riding? does that bring it back to quota?

I just find those two isses tobe big ones... and i think we can play around enough to address them, leaving them is a lazy excuse to not make the ridings actually work

[lilTommy]

DL - Yup, can't believe i missed that. Dartmouth shifts south to take in Eastern Passage and  Shearwater CFB. The NDP won all the polls there except for the one in Shearwater proper. and the prov. riding of Cole Harbour-Eastern Passage is safe NDP i think, so Robert who was safe before is even safer.

Halifax - gains what maybe a few polls with the line being moved west to the 333hwy for a bit then back. Probably changes nothing, and Leslie is pretty much a star like Chisholm so.

[lilTommy]

and the prov. riding of Cole Harbour-Eastern Passage is safe NDP i think, so Robert who was safe before is even safer.

No kidding, isn't that Dexter's riding?

Close, he represents Cole Harbour... Becky Kent represents Cole Harbour-Eastern Passage, she was a city councillor before winning a by-election to replace an out-going NDP MLA. The NDP have held the riding since 98

[lilTommy]

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Nice map. Here's my version (no map, sorry):

I assume five ridings largely unchanged since 1996 need no change: TORONTO—DANFORTH (2.2% under quotient), BEACHES—EAST YORK (0.7% above quotient), SCARBOROUGH SOUTHWEST (2.2% above quotient), SCARBOROUGH CENTRE (5.2% above quotient), and SCARBOROUGH—GUILDWOOOD (4.5% above quotient). Similarly in the west end four electoral districts which are almost unchanged since 1996 need no change: DAVENPORT (3.8% under), PARKDALE—HIGH PARK (1.2% under), YORK SOUTH—WESTON (9.6% over) and EGLINTON—LAWRENCE (6.4% over).

One big change would start with about 62,500 residents from the present Scarborough—Rouge River (currently 27% over quotient) uniting with the Scarborough portion of the present Pickering—Scarborough East (assumed to be about 46,500 residents) to form a renamed SCARBOROUGH EAST with about 109,000 residents, 2.5 per cent over quotient. About 72,600 residents from the old Scarborough—Rouge River would combine with about 36,500 from the present Scarborough—Agincourt (currently only 5.3 per cent over quotient) to form a renamed SCARBOROUGH-ARMADALE with about 109,100 residents, 2.58 per cent over quotient. The dominos would continue as the new electoral district of SCARBOROUGH—DON VALLEY NORTH (north of 401) takes about 75,500 from the present Scarborough—Agincourt, about 18,300 from the present Willowdale east of Leslie, and about 15,000 from the present Don Valley East which will need to pick up about 12,400 residents from the present Don Valley West.

A second big change would be downtown where the surplus 35,700 from TRINITY—SPADINA (36% over quotient) and the south 73,300 of the present Toronto Centre (22.5% over) would be combined as a new TORONTO HARBOUR with a population of about 109,000 (about 2.5 per cent over quotient). ST. PAULS (9.5% over quotient) would remain largely unchanged since 1996, but would give its surplus 7,500 to combine with the remaining 57,000 residents of old Toronto Centre and about 44,500 from the present Don Valley West to form ROSEDALE—LEASIDE, again with a population of about 109,000. From the present Don Valley West (16% over quotient) about 12,700 will shift to DON VALLEY EAST (currently 4.7% over) to give it a population of about 109,000 after it loses about 15,000 residents to the new SCARBOROUGH—DON VALLEY NORTH. About 66,300 residents in the present Don Valley West will form a renamed electoral district of ORIOLE shifted north, taking about 42,600 from the present Willowdale (east of Bayview) to give ORIOLE a population of about 108,900.

Meanwhile ETOBICOKE—LAKESHORE (currently 15.6% over quotient) would have a population of about 109,000 after it gives up about 14,000 residents to ETOBICOKE CENTRE (currently 6.8% over) which in turn has about 109,000 after it gives up about 18,600 to ETOBICOKE NORTH to leave it with about 109,000 after a renamed YORK WEST—ETOBICOKE NORTH takes about 21,000 from Etobicoke North. The present York West gives up about 20,000 to YORK CENTRE (now 11.3% over) leaving it with about 109,000 after it in turn gives about 29,500 to WILLOWDALE (already 32% over quotient), which will shift to the west as all three domino chains meet. The present Willowdale will give up about 18,300 to the new SCARBOROUGH—DON VALLEY NORTH and about 42,600 to the north-shifted Don Valley West renamed ORIOLE, so a cross-401 configuration at the Don Valley continues.

Interesting. Not a bad proposal, and one that I think the commission might go with. Toronto Harbour is a riding that I think DL has suggested might be created, and would be heavily populated with all those condo developments. Would be interesting to see how a riding like that would vote. Of course, 10 years from now the riding will be way over populated again.

How this area votes will depend on where the riding boundary is. Using Bloor Street is a natural, and my preference since there is a long standing "divide" between south of bloor and north of bloor (here being Rosedale, and the start of Mid-town). The NDP was most competative south of bloor thats where they won their polls, and Trinity-Spadina had all but under a half-dozen won by someone other then Chow. So this riding would be solid-strong NDP exp. if Chow ran. Is it possible to make two DT ridings? so make 4 ridings out of mostly 3 current ones (Tor.Centre, TS and St. Pauls), these are high-growth areas so the commission should feel ok about putting them delow quota... does that work? names:
Rosedale-Leaside, Toronto-Old York (or maybe St. David), St. Pauls and Toronto-Fort York
Tor. Old York(St. David) would have a west boundary of Queens park-University(to queen)-Simcoe; Bloor to the north, Don Valley to the east. (would include the Islands as well). Not sure what the pop. would be though
I hate the name Harbour, or any geographic name for large cities; using the old wards for TO (like St. David) I think is appropriate (the old Prv. Ridings used them) or community names.

[lilTommy]

I have no idea why they call it St.Pauls.. it used to be a riding in the 30's but was an odd N-S sliver that covered part of the DT core of TO. There is a CHurch up that way called St. Pauls, but again no clue.
I like the historical reference/preservation. Also they surpass community names as they tend to be all encompassing of areas... St. David is all encompassing of St. Jamestown, Cabbagetown, Regent Park.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rosedale_-_1933.PNG

I like the idea of ON specific ridings, return them back to say 80K-85K per riding, meaning ON would get about 150 or so seats? Too many?
OR... introduce MMP... keep the seats at say current fed level of 107 (just mvoe the boundaries)... but add regional list seats.
OK this starts a whole other conversation...

[lilTommy]

Shame... it won't happen unless McGuinty is pushed and i doubt he would be.

so... what would ON 151 ridings look like then? at 85K per riding... sounds fun to try it out!

[lilTommy]

I think its pretty unanimous that no one likes people names, especially those from the modern era being used (Villeneuve? really)... but it does avoid long place names, but i still feel they are better suited.

So, i might be the odd man out here, but i don't hate the Montreal proposal... it looks more like the provincial boundaries map, I like there is no split ridings between the mainland and the island (both of montreal and laval)

John-Peters-Humphrey: looks to be a possible tailor-made Liberal riding (possible Tory competative on too?) Cote-saint-luc voted heavy for the tories, Mount Royal heavy liberal and the dorval/Lachine polls went NDP (but I could see them go back liberal)… if Mulcair continues to “own” quebec though, this riding could just be a pick-up (I’m just as shocked to say it)

Wilder-Penfield: I hated that NDG was split, so this is a good change… Also a NDP target, it losses the NDP polls from the DT and Ville-Marie, but gains some NDP polls from the old NDG-Lachine. Not sure if that evens things out; but its still competitive for both parties. Westmount is the big hurdle for the NDP (like Rosedale in TO), I don’t expect these voters to budge, the NDP would need to sweep NDG to win here I think, still possible though. 

Outremont: just been shifted west, yes losses Mile End NDP polls but pick up the NDPs “best polls” from Mont Royal, Mulcair will stay put he will still win since it wasn’t a terrible change to the boundary

Ville-Marie (should be called Ville-Marie – Point-Stant-Charles) Plateau-Mile End, Hochelaga, Idola-Saint-Jean (ok makes no sense, since the riding can easily be called Rosemont!); I think they all make sense they are based on the arrondissments mostly. And Papineau doesn’t seem to have been changed much if any!

Maurice-Richard; interesting, the bloc’s best polls from Ahuntsic added with I the Saint-Michel liberal area with the NDP splattered everywhere. If Mourani runs, advantage to her but its competitive for all three by the looks of things.

Saint-Leonard: ouch to the Liberals, SlSm was a hold for them, now its been split into these two (MR above) and neither are a solid Liberal riding anymore. The Libs won only two polls N of R.Sherbrooke while the NDP won maybe 20 or so polls in Saint-Leonard… NDP edge?
Montreal-Est (probably Anjou - Montrel-Est would be better): safe for the NDP since in theold Honore-Mercier the Liberals won a chunk of polls in the North. Plus, for some reason I like this box shape

Rivieres-des-Prairies: becomes more of an NDP/Liberal fight now

George-Etienne-Cartier (at least Cartierville is here!): Looks to be a strong Liberal Riding, best lib polls from Ahuntsic and a mix but edge to the liberals of polls from StLaurent-cartierville.
MacDonald-Langstaff: becomes competitive for the NDPvsLibs; Roxboro was a good mix of polls won by all three but leaned more NDP; while the area gained from StL-C was a mix as well but leaned more Liberal. 

Denis-Banjamin-Viger: is home to some very strong tory polls, but with all of Pierrefonds now in this riding (hey a name! Pierrefonds - Ile-Bizard) the riding is still going NDP

The only thing that bugs me about Lachine-LaSalle, Ville-Marie and Verdun, is that there are natural berriers within each, the lachine canal in LcLs and VM and the aqueduct in Verdun.
If the Mulcairmania in Quebec continues, I could see the liberals relegated to 2 maybe 3 seats  (Papineau, John-Peters-Humphrey and Lac-Saint-Louis) at best, at worst 1 JPH (I just can’t see this go NDP, where I can see Papineau (sorry Justin) and LSL fall to the NDP… but it would be close.

[lilTommy]

I think John Peters Humphrey could be winnable for the NDP once Cotler retires and the NDP nominates someone with strong credentials in the Jewish community and then gets the anti-Conservative vote to coalesce behind the NDP.

With all that attention he got over the tories making calls saying he will retire, i doubt he will. Maybe one more go'round to give the Liberals a boost at trying to rebuild (like you said, he he retires adn the NDP will make a push for a good candidate, thats one more riding lost for them).
Probably the same goes for Garneau... unless he decides not to run after an expected failed leadership run (just what i'm hearing)

[lilTommy]

Ahhh gotcha, ouch, thats another riding in danger... and isn't it expected that Coderre will/might run for mayor? Bourassa looked pretty unchanged but with Coderre gone it might become vulnerable too.

Poor Pacetti, he has the unenviable choice of Maurice-Richard (looks to be a 3way edge Bloc) and Saint-Leonard (has become much more compeative for the NDP, almost edge to them).

[lilTommy]

I expect Maria Mourani to be annhilated in 2015...it was s fluke that she was one of the four BQ survivors (in a super tight three way race) given that Ahuntsic was actually one of their most marginal seats in 06 and 08! She is actually a very non-descript incumbent and with a penniless BQ barely showing a pulse in 2015 - if the NDP nominates anyone remotely good - she will be blown away like dust in the wind. There are a lot of non-francophones in that riding and in an NDP-BQ two way race - the NDP would win easily.

Interesting, i was giving the edge to Mourani since incumbent+non-tory+PQ held prov. riding... but she has been pretty much a no-show since the leadership loss, i just chalked that up to my TO-centric news
So simply put, the NDP and is hunting and hungry for calibre candidates... i wouldn't be surprised to see sitting NDP MPs facing contested nomination races... and some thankful for it.

[lilTommy]

I feel Im going to have to find my historic Quebec counties map in an effort to try and re-name all of these ridings...

... that would be preferable to what they have done

[lilTommy]

Here's some suggested names (submitted for your approval)

Abitibi--Nunavik: Vallee-de-l'Or--Jamesie--Kativik
Abitibi--Temiscamingue: Abitibi--Temiscamingue--Rouyn-Noranda
Alfred-Dubuc: Jonquiere--Le Fjord
Alfred-Pellan: Laval East
Anne-Hebert: Portneuf--Champlain
Aylmer: Aylmer--Les Collines
Beauce: Beauce--Frontenac
Bourassa: Montreal-Nord--Sault-au-Recollet
Brome--Missisquoi: No change.
Cap-Roughe: Cap-Rouge--L'Ancienne-Lorette
Charlevoix--Saguenay: Chicoutimi--La Baie--Charlevoix
Chateauguay: Chateauguay--Napierville
Compton--Stanstead: No change.
Cote-de-Beaupre: Montmorency--Jacques-Cartier
Cure-Labelle: Riviere-du-Nord--Sainte-Anne (for Ste Anne des Lacs, and Ste Anne des Plaines)
Denis-Benjamin-Viger: Pierrefonds--Dollard--Ile-Bizard
Drummond: No change.
Elzear-Bernier: Rivere-du-Loup--Montmagny
Etienne-Parent: Charlesbourg--Beauport
Gaspesie--Les-Iles: Gaspesie--Les-Iles-de-la-Maedeleine
George-Etienne-Cartier: Ahuntsic--Cartierville--Vertu
Gilles-Villeneuve: Berthier--Maskinonge
Hautes-Laurentides--Pontiac: Pontiac--Papineau--Labelle
Hochelaga: Hochelaga-Maisonneuve--Mercier
Idola-Saint-Jean: Rosemont--La Petite-Patrie
John-Peters-Humphrey: Mount Royal--Cote-Saint-Luc--Hampstead
Joliette: Joliette--Matawinie
La Chute: Argenteuil--Mirabel--Deux-Montagnes
Lachine--LaSalle: No change.
Lac-Saint-Jean: No change.
Lac-Saint-Louis: No change.
Laurentides: No change.
Levis: Chutes-de-la-Chaudiere
Lignery: Laprairie
Longueuil: Longueuil--Saint-Hubert--Boucherville
Lotbiniere--Megantic: No change.
Louis-Frechette: Levis--Etchemins--Bellechasse

To be continued

Given that the commission is clearly trolling us, I feel like seriously proposing the name 'Justin-Bieber' for the new Perth-Wellington riding.

I'm going to propose some Montreal area Names:


Alfred-Pellan: Laval-Est (lets keep them French)
Pierrefonds—Dollard: No change needed
Idola-Saint-Denis: Rosemount
Saint-Leonard: Saint-Leaonard--Maissonneuve
MacDonald-Langstaff: Roxboro—Saraguay…  or maybe something like Bois-du-Saraguay—Roxboro
Georges-Etienne-Cartier: Ahunstic-Cartierville—Saint-Laurent
Maurice-Richard: Saint-Michel—Saint-Paul (could use some help, Saint-Paul cause a park in the centre, but I can’t seem to find a neighbourhood/common name for this areas between Ahuntsic and Sault-au-Recollet?
Papineau: Villery
Wilder-Penfield:Notre-Dame-de-Grace—Westmount
Montreal-Est: Montreal-Est—Anjou (fits with Hatmans Montreal-Nord—Sault-au-Recollet)
Ville-Marie: Ville-Marie—Saint-Henri (or Point-Saint-Charles)
John-Peters-Humphrey: TRUDEAU!... kidding, Hatmans idea works (Mont Royal—Cote-Saint-Luc—Hampstead
Verdun: Verdun—Emard
Paul-Ragueneau: Laval-sure-le-Lac
Sault-au-Recollet (poor choice since the neighbourhood is across the water on Montreal): Laval-des-Rapides (does it matter that that is a provincial name?) or simply Laval-Centre

[lilTommy]

A couple issues with your names... and possibly needs som clarification (hell i could be wrong)

MacDonald-Langstaff: Saint-Laurent--Roxboro
 - By the looks of the proposal Saint-Laurent is actually in Geroges-Etienne-Cariter not MacDonald-Langstaff. the border between the too looks like Avenue O'Brien, Saint-Laurent looks to be East of that. While i think this riding should keep "Roxboro" but add as i've suggested maybe a nod to the two major nature parcs... so Bois-du-Saraguay--Roxboro has a nice ring

Maurice-Richard: Ahuntsic--Saint-Michel--Saint-Leonard
- I don't think Saint-Leonard is in this riding either, but i like the Ahuntsic--Saint-Michel name. Blvd Viau seems to be the propsed border, and Saint-Laurent is much farther east.

So its too confusing to have Ahuntsic-Cariterville and Ahuntsic in two dufferent riding names... so i'd go with Cartierville--Saint-Laurent and then Ahuntsic--Saint-Michel

[lilTommy]

Given that the commission is clearly trolling us, I feel like seriously proposing the name 'Justin-Bieber' for the new Perth-Wellington riding.

And Prince Edward-Hastings to be renamed Avril-Lavigne?

.. i suppose i could support Stormont-Dundas-South Glengarry being re-named Pierre Fitch But since that might be too controversial... Ryan Gosling sounds fun

[lilTommy]

Given that the commission is clearly trolling us, I feel like seriously proposing the name 'Justin-Bieber' for the new Perth-Wellington riding.

And Prince Edward-Hastings to be renamed Avril-Lavigne?

.. i suppose i could support Stormont-Dundas-South Glengarry being re-named Pierre Fitch But since that might be too controversial... Ryan Gosling sounds fun

Who is that person?

Ryan Gosling, well he's an actor ... but i assume your talking about Pierre Fitch, hes a gay porn star
still probably one of the more famous people (outside of Gosling and hockey stars) to come from Cornwall (the main city in the riding. was more of a joke since we were on famous people from the riding tangent

[lilTommy]

Interesting...
“The proposed changes seem to reflect a lack of awareness, if not disregard, for the riding’s history, its physical integrity and community identity,” Mr. Cotler
... But from what i can make of John-Peters-Humphrey, his argument is mute. Mont Royal is completely in this new riding, so is Cote-Saint-Luc and Hampstead, whats been added are portions of Dorval and Lachine and Montreal near the airport. Does Cotler have an issue with more working class areas being added? Does he take issue with Lachine being added which is majority french while all the others (MR,CsL,Dor) are all more English? This is still a English-west Island-affluent riding...
Dion has a better argument that communities that have been in ridings for ages will now be seperated but, i'm looking at the proposal and comparing it with a google map... and i just don't see it. It looks like Ahuntsic-Cartierville and Cartierville are now all in one riding (Georges-Etienne-Cartier), Sain-Laurent i think he might have a point in that it looks split. At any rate i think hes upset that hes going to have to choose between the two ridings, George-Etienne-Cartier would be the smart choice for him since it takes the best Liberal polls from Ahuntsic and Saint-Laurent--Cartierville.. maybe hes really attached to Saraguay?

At any rate, if Cotler is retiring, shut up then! Garneau is the one with the tough choice.. Ville-Marie is pretty strongly tailored for the NDP, so that leaves him Wildred-Penfield and i'd say thats going to be a battle.

Also, i agree... i think the NDP has stayed silent on all the propsals for probably a mixture of all three... and waiting to see how Sask/MAN and ON turn out before they start to say anything. I just don't think Dion & Cotlers arguments are valid... anyone from PQ agree with them?

[lilTommy]

Does Cotler have an issue with more working class areas being added?

While you're right that the changes are small, John-Peters-Humphrey is a bit less working-class and probably a bit more winnable for the Conservatives than the old Mount Royal. It loses the main section of Cote-des-Neiges, a low-income area with many English-speaking (Black Caribbean and South Asian) immigrants that stayed very Liberal in 2011, while gaining some generic suburbia by the airport that voted NDP and a few pretty well-off polls in that sort of transition zone between NDG and Westmount where all three federalist parties are competitive.

Your right,  so in essence this is a more affluent riding (ie Tory/Liberal fight) then the previous Mount Royal as its pretty safe to assume that Dorval/Lachine polls added are more middle-upper middle class then the Cote-des-Neige polls moved into Outremont. I wonder hos signifigant it is? since its only a small area from Victoria to Cote-des-neiges east-west and south to Cote-de-Sainte-Catherine. I would say this area will probably go NDP next time around.
I had no idea why Cote-Saint-Luc was so conservative... why is that? the jewish vote (they had a big high profile candidate too from this community) If Cotler steps down and the Liberals go with a CsL/Jewish candidate wouldn't that negate to some extent the Tory vote? Also the Tories are doing Terrible in the polls since the election in Quebec so might not even matter

[lilTommy]

So wrong thread probably... but same tangent. NS just re-submitted its Provincial redistribution map

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2012/07/20/ns-electoral-boundaries-report.html

the gov't didn't accept the first one since it kept the special ridings intacts (acadian and african nova scotian ridings, 4 in total i think were allowed in that 25% variation)

http://nselectoralboundaries.ca/publications/Rev-Elect-Boundaries-EN.pdf

thought i'd share too... some of the maps looks odd here too (esp Dartmouth East...)

[lilTommy]

The new proposed Saskatchewan map has just been posted:

http://www.redecoupage-federal-redistribution.ca/content.asp?section=sk&dir=now/proposals&document=index&lang=e

At first glance it looks like it has been almost perfectly designed to maximize the number of NDP seats in the province. Yippee!

This looks very VERY similar to the 2004 proposals... which i can't find now...

I find Saskatoon Centre-University (terrible name, choose a neighbourhood or something!) slightly messy to me where it crosses the river, taking in the DT but then encompassing southern areas west of the river, then northern areas east of the river? I might call gerrymander if i were a tory cause ya that one is taylor made for the NDP. Saskatoon West is probably a big NDP seat too... and looks odd aswell... anyone with more SASK knowledge know if these ridings make sense?

Moose Jaw is also lumped in with a completely different area of the province (now lumped with Lumsden all the way to Saskatoon) is there any connection with these new areas?

Was there any change to Desnethe-Missinippi-Churchill River? i think no?

I'm very happy to see they managed two fully urban Saskatoon seats and one fully urban Regina seat and another almost fully urban (Wascana)

Wish i could add more, but i don't know too much about SASK, seems better then what we have now thats for sure! The NDP (espcially Noah Evanchuck will be pleased)

[lilTommy]

Interestingly enough, provincially they are conducting a boundary review; they commission is to add 3 more seats to total 61

http://saskboundaries.com/maps/

[lilTommy]

Exactly Smid; It makes more sense in terms of compact easyily connected ridings to have:
a) A norhtern riding, maybe using Idylwyld Drive as the border including the downtown and the University; Then a Western riding that combines whats left of Saskatoon West and that south western portion of SCU on the west side of the river. They just make more sense... all depends on how the numbers play out.
b) Two ridings where the River is the dividing line, its a natural boundary anyway. I believe in the 80's they used to have a Saskatoon East and West?

My Only problem with Regina is that Qu'Appelle still contains the DT core area and is still largely rurban. It would make more sense for the Urban riding to contain the core; so use the rail line everything east and south of it, so Albert & Dewdney and Albert & 4th would be in Lewvan. Move suburban areas north of 9th into Qu'Appelle. 

I'm glad its not just an outsiders view that these rurban ridings don't make sense, and i know the NDP fought to keep them, but that was a bad move then and still is now.

[lilTommy]

Its true that the NDP was complicit in having the "rurban" ridings in Sask in the 2003 redistribution - but this time the NDP was lobbying fiercely to have them scrapped. The reality is they cannot be eliminated totally. Saskatoon is no problem because the population of the city is just big enough to create three purely urban ridings (as has been done), but in Regina the city is smaller than Saskatoon and is big enough for about 2.7 ridings - so any ways you slice it - you need to have one remaining "rurban" seat in Regina.

Yes, its unfortuante but i think they could draw the boundaries out better. The urban core has far less in common with rural sask then the suburbs do. two urban and a "subural" riding would be best for Regina i think.