Palestine college student protest megathread

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Young people aren't allowed to form opinions, so the opinions that do form if they are contrary to the establishment; climate action is important, access to housing in important, the police need accountability, thousands are being killed in Palestine, trans people don't bother us etc must be nefarious 'foreign plots' or social media indoctrination...according to addled centrists on other social media platforms of course.

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https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/1785436629655572647

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https://twitter.com/TeresaWatanabe/status/1785580909795942766

https://twitter.com/TeresaWatanabe/status/1785575610469007471

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If it wasn't 'indiscriminately bombing' Gaza then (according to the World Bank/UN, 92% of primary roads, 84% of medical facilities, the majority of homes (alone accounting for nearly $14bn in losses) would not have been destroyed and 1.7 million people displaced.

Just because the death total is 'low' (even though in % terms it's actually comparable to other conflicts) does not mean the bombing is somehow 'targeted' when there's massive structural destruction.

Dresden was obliterated as a city in a literal firebombing campaign in 1945. 'Only' 25000 people died.

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If it wasn't 'indiscriminately bombing' Gaza then (according to the World Bank/UN, 92% of primary roads, 84% of medical facilities, the majority of homes (alone accounting for nearly $14bn in losses) would not have been destroyed and 1.7 million people displaced.

Just because the death total is 'low' (even though in % terms it's actually comparable to other conflicts) does not mean the bombing is somehow 'targeted' when there's massive structural destruction.

Dresden was obliterated as a city in a literal firebombing campaign in 1945. 'Only' 25000 people died.

So would you call the Dresden bombings a genocide ?

I think the word " Genocide " is being massively overused now, because if we're going down that road, and call the Dresden bombings a genocide, then well..... everything in war is a genocide then, heck you can call the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki a Genocide.

Where did I call it a genocide? I called it a firebombing campaign. With a relatively 'low' mortality rate despite the city being obliterated.

The point being that 'oh only X were killed' is not an indicator of the lack of severity of an urban bombing campaign.

[afleitch]

If it wasn't 'indiscriminately bombing' Gaza then (according to the World Bank/UN, 92% of primary roads, 84% of medical facilities, the majority of homes (alone accounting for nearly $14bn in losses) would not have been destroyed and 1.7 million people displaced.

Just because the death total is 'low' (even though in % terms it's actually comparable to other conflicts) does not mean the bombing is somehow 'targeted' when there's massive structural destruction.

Dresden was obliterated as a city in a literal firebombing campaign in 1945. 'Only' 25000 people died.

So would you call the Dresden bombings a genocide ?

I think the word " Genocide " is being massively overused now, because if we're going down that road, and call the Dresden bombings a genocide, then well..... everything in war is a genocide then, heck you can call the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki a Genocide.

Where did I call it a genocide? I called it a firebombing campaign. With a relatively 'low' mortality rate despite the city being obliterated.

The point being that 'oh only X were killed' is not an indicator of the lack of severity of an urban bombing campaign.

I agree how many died on it's own is not a good indicator but how many died during a period of time is a good indicator. 25,000 in a period of two days is a lot especially when the city had a population of around 600,000 people at that time. Compared to 35,000 out of around 2 million over six months and further, that 35,000 isn't all from bombings but also from ground combat. To me, that doesn't look anything like an indiscriminate bombing campaign.

If it wasn't 'indiscriminately bombing' Gaza then (according to the World Bank/UN, 92% of primary roads, 84% of medical facilities, the majority of homes (alone accounting for nearly $14bn in losses) would not have been destroyed and 1.7 million people displaced.