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Filuwaúrdjan
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« on: December 10, 2014, 01:37:04 PM »

The difference is that the Jews were generally alright financially.

Some small long-established communities were (at least on average), but they were the exception. Even if we ignore the situation in the east (where things were always pretty horrifying in material terms), Jewish communities in the more developed parts of Europe before the War tended to be concentrated in well defined inner city districts (Leopoldstadt or - parts of - the East End of London) and mostly worked in a handful of industries (IIRC for quite a time a majority of British Jews in employment worked in the clothing industry) and generally for Jewish employers, this not entirely by choice. My grandfather (who was not Jewish but Welsh-speaking Welsh) had a light sampling of some of these problems when he lived in the East End in the 1930s simply because his surname looked like it might be Jewish. That's just how things were...
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2014, 01:39:51 PM »

There is no need to encourage immigrants to speak the national language at home. It's the norm for second and third generation immigrants to stop speaking their mother tongue (50-80%) without any encouragement or coercion from the state. Is this "full assimilation"? No, the descendants of immigrants will still retain many foreign customs and allegiances. A tiny portion of the second and third generation will still prefer to speak the mother tongue, especially with their parents and grandparents.

This is correct. When the parents are fluent in the dominant language they don't always even teach their kids more than a few words and phrases of their own mother tongue.
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2014, 02:23:40 PM »

Yeah, but who moves to Ruritania to find work?
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2014, 08:22:19 PM »

I didn't say "all Jews are rich" I said generally Jews are not impoverished like semi-literate Middle Easterners. I will stand by that statement.

The Jewish communities in Europe before the 1940s (which is what ag specifically referred to) were generally pretty impoverished (which the exception of some comparatively small and well-integrated - they thought - communities that are quite well known) though. And, again, not just so out in the East (where the overwhelming majority lived o/c) but even in London.
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