Only for those who hear the complete fullness and understand the ramifications of the gospel, and still reject it entirely and those who rejected mortality in the first place.
So nobody ever, by your own definition? At least anybody who isn't already "saved". How convenient.
Naturally, this means that only people who followed Satan before and maybe a very tiny number of dead people after are in such a state. I believe that most people here and now will still end up somewhere better than here in the end, as happy as they can allow themselves.
Goalpost: moved. Escape hatch: established.
@Teach Peace/Weyfield: Eternal suffering is not something inflicted because "rah rah you disobeyed the commandments" nor because of some random predestination, it is something that is already there as a consequence. A place like hell if it did exist would probably be a mercy.
In what universe does that make sense? Certainly not one any rational person would exist in, which brings us to the utter absurdity of this thread to begin with.
Everyone is given great and terrible circumstances for a reason, and it is how that adversity is handled, how the agency is used that brings forth the consequences of suffering or reward.
Anyone who understands sociology or history knows that people are often results of their social and biological circumstance. Your belief in magic doesn't cancel this out. "Free will" as we know it is largely a myth. People are the result of their social circumstance subtly conditioning their every response to any given stimuli based on their prior experience.
It's sort of like a cosmic version of not getting dessert and being sent to your room for not eating your veggies, the consequence of being hungry and not getting proper nourishment is still there regardless and whether or not you are sitting at the dinner table but not getting dessert or sent to your room, you aren't happy.
This is so silly I don't know where to begin. You seriously think someone being sent to hell forever is parallel to a child being sent to bed without dessert until tomorrow.
I think that's the biggest problem with the atheist vs traditional Christian debate on this matter, often it treats Hell and Heaven too much as a "Because God said so" sort of thing. Guess that's what happens when you have one side that doesn't believe in any higher powers that aren't proven and another side that treats God as if he's some kind of static entity...instead of just a Father who himself had to make mistakes and learn from 'em to get there, and far as known, avoided eternal suffering himself.
*facepalm*
Totally Un-Biblical.
It's amazing the mental gymnastics otherwise smart people will go through to justify their belief in utterly asinine things.
Just admit that
you believe in magic and think that you will go to a theme park when you die with the people you love. You will desperately dodge all the negatives of your faith with ridiculous "interpretations" that totally contradict basically all the established teachings of the faith your parent/s conditioned you to believe in or you thought gave your life meaning when you fell on hard times.
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