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ajb
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« on: June 25, 2012, 03:03:11 PM »

This is like those polls that showed Obama tied in Tennessee with low 40s numbers, they just don't equal competitiveness in November. Let's look at some 2008 polls for Michigan.

Public Policy Polling    September 6–7    Barack Obama    47%    John McCain    46%

American Research Group    Sept 16-19    Barack Obama    48%    John McCain    46%

Marketing Resource Group
of Lansing    Sept 15-19    Barack Obama    43%    John McCain    46%

NBC/Mason-Dixon    Sept 18-23    Barack Obama    46%    John McCain    46%

Strategic Vision    September 22–24    Barack Obama    48%    John McCain    45%    


I get your point about outlier polls like the recent Tennessee numbers, but don't think Michigan compares. The one thing that most of the numbers you posted have in common is that they all came in early or mid September 2008, the one point of that campaign where McCain was actually leading or tied with Obama. It was after the convention and Palin pick, but before the financial melt down. So McCain likely was close to Obama in Michigan during this period. Every poll out this month has shown Michigan a close race.


Even among that timeframe, he dishonestly hardcore cherry picked a handful of polls and ignored others. The RCP average from early or mid September 2008 in the daterange provided would have shown an Obama lead of +4.



Of course, now every poll is showing a tied race. No cherry picking necessary.

Because ignoring Rasmussen and PPP is in no way cherry-picking.
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ajb
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« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2012, 03:53:24 PM »

This is like those polls that showed Obama tied in Tennessee with low 40s numbers, they just don't equal competitiveness in November. Let's look at some 2008 polls for Michigan.

Public Policy Polling    September 6–7    Barack Obama    47%    John McCain    46%

American Research Group    Sept 16-19    Barack Obama    48%    John McCain    46%

Marketing Resource Group
of Lansing    Sept 15-19    Barack Obama    43%    John McCain    46%

NBC/Mason-Dixon    Sept 18-23    Barack Obama    46%    John McCain    46%

Strategic Vision    September 22–24    Barack Obama    48%    John McCain    45%    


I get your point about outlier polls like the recent Tennessee numbers, but don't think Michigan compares. The one thing that most of the numbers you posted have in common is that they all came in early or mid September 2008, the one point of that campaign where McCain was actually leading or tied with Obama. It was after the convention and Palin pick, but before the financial melt down. So McCain likely was close to Obama in Michigan during this period. Every poll out this month has shown Michigan a close race.


Even among that timeframe, he dishonestly hardcore cherry picked a handful of polls and ignored others. The RCP average from early or mid September 2008 in the daterange provided would have shown an Obama lead of +4.



Of course, now every poll is showing a tied race. No cherry picking necessary.

Because ignoring Rasmussen and PPP is in no way cherry-picking.

I'm not. The RCP average only uses the most recent polls.

As an aside, I've never known exactly how RCP decides what counts as "recent." It doesn't seem to be simply a certain number of polls, nor the polls conducted within a certain time frame.
In other words, letting RCP do your cherry-picking for you doesn't really change things.
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