Santorum: Obama 'A Snob' For Wanting Everyone To Go To College

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Offers man nothing? What does man offer himself? I was on a job 4 years ago and the subcontractor dropped out of high school during his second year of 9th grade and was making $126,000 a year. Tell him he needed to go to college so he can make $70,000. Most of my friends graduating from college can't find work and it's because we have too many people qualified for high paying jobs that don't exist in such high numbers.  Several people going to college only rack up debt. We can't all be doctors and lawyers.  If we were all doctors, then who would teach school? The perfect economy has a perfect balance among sectors. At my buddy's office, there are people with Ph.D's in molecular biology and nuclear physics making only $30,000 a year. College is only good for an individual if you put it to use. To Obama who doesn't understand any of this because of his elitist and liberal background, looks down on people who don't go to college or so it seems. Or, perhaps he just wants more debt in order to enslave people towards the federal government. His idea for 10 years working for the government in exchange for elimination of school debt screams of ancient Rome's policies of enslavement for those of you who are ignorant of classical culture.  I know it's easy to jump the gun and talk on impulse, "education is imporant because it's our future" or "not going to college makes someone less intelligent." Tell those things to my subcontractor friend making $126,000 a year. Explain to me IN DEPTH DETAIL how it would be productive for us to have only doctors and lawyers?  Who would work the farms, grow food, package products, cook?  Please explain in depth detail to me how those professions are less noble or somehow below being a doctor or lawyer?

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Well said Tidewater - couldn't have put it better.

oh thanks lol

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We might want to look at some data here:
Employment status of the civilian population 25 years and over by educational attainment, Jan 2012:
Less than a High School Diploma: 15.0
High School Diploma, No College: 9.5
Some College/Associate Degree: 7.5
Bachelor's Degree or Higher: 4.4

The labor force participation rates for these same for groups are:
Less than a High School Diploma: 45.3
High School Diploma, No College: 59.8
Some College/Associate Degree: 69.3
Bachelor's Degree or Higher: 75.7

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t04.htm
Yes, there are lots of people who didn't finish high school, or who finished high school but didn't get any further education, who've done well for themselves, because they've worked hard and made good choices. There are also people who have advanced university degrees who don't do well. But averages matter, too.

This is true but if everyone has a college degree and competes for high salaried jobs, then what happens to jobs that produce products and other services? Alot of why our manufacturing sector is gone is because people go to college instead of trade school. This is what happens when everyone goes to college. Again, college is good if you end up doing something that requires a degree.

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I don't think the issue is purely about 'University'...

Which is the problem, Obama NEVER said everyone must go to college. He referred to vocational and technical training also. What he's referring to is that in a period of economic downturn, more skilled workers tend to be less badly affected. So committing to a year of higher training/education is not about snobbery or elitism or any other of the inflammatory Gingrichesque feigned outrages Santorum is talking about, but trying to ensure you have some degree of insulation.

It also feeds into the ongoing anti-intellectualism that permiates the GOP right now... and considering that all the nominees are highly-educated and have benefited from that education it's hypocritical to the EXTREME to suggest that urging people to upskill during a time of crisis is some kind of warfare.

He echoes the elitist and intellectual mindset of the left though when he talks about it. I hear alot more than encouragement coming from Obama regarding education. If what you said was true, he'd be identical to Newt Gingrich and that's not the case.

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I don't think the issue is purely about 'University'...

Which is the problem, Obama NEVER said everyone must go to college. He referred to vocational and technical training also. What he's referring to is that in a period of economic downturn, more skilled workers tend to be less badly affected. So committing to a year of higher training/education is not about snobbery or elitism or any other of the inflammatory Gingrichesque feigned outrages Santorum is talking about, but trying to ensure you have some degree of insulation.

It also feeds into the ongoing anti-intellectualism that permiates the GOP right now... and considering that all the nominees are highly-educated and have benefited from that education it's hypocritical to the EXTREME to suggest that urging people to upskill during a time of crisis is some kind of warfare.

He echoes the elitist and intellectual mindset of the left though when he talks about it. I hear alot more than encouragement coming from Obama regarding education. If what you said was true, he'd be identical to Newt Gingrich and that's not the case.

Lol... you might hear it, but that doesn't mean the policy in practice is any different.

Just out of curiosity... because I'm genuinely curious, what is an elitist to you? Because I think perception OF a person will matter more, regardless of what they actually do or say.

He would have it that way if the Republicans wouldn't have won the House in 2010. It is all perception but perception is based on how that person behaves. If someone talks down to those in other positions and believes they know what's best for others more than they do. The anti-smoking crowd for example. I think people should be left alone in situations that don't effect others. You're right about perception. I'd add too though that if someone agrees with a candidate, they're more likely to back them than accuse them of elitism.

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We might want to look at some data here:
Employment status of the civilian population 25 years and over by educational attainment, Jan 2012:
Less than a High School Diploma: 15.0
High School Diploma, No College: 9.5
Some College/Associate Degree: 7.5
Bachelor's Degree or Higher: 4.4

The labor force participation rates for these same for groups are:
Less than a High School Diploma: 45.3
High School Diploma, No College: 59.8
Some College/Associate Degree: 69.3
Bachelor's Degree or Higher: 75.7

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t04.htm
Yes, there are lots of people who didn't finish high school, or who finished high school but didn't get any further education, who've done well for themselves, because they've worked hard and made good choices. There are also people who have advanced university degrees who don't do well. But averages matter, too.

This is true but if everyone has a college degree and competes for high salaried jobs, then what happens to jobs that produce products and other services? Alot of why our manufacturing sector is gone is because people go to college instead of trade school. This is what happens when everyone goes to college. Again, college is good if you end up doing something that requires a degree.

The reason those jobs in manufacturing are going overseas is because it's possible to pay people in other countries a tenth as much money as American workers cost. They're often much less productive workers than Americans would be, but if wages are low enough, that's not a problem.

Still my point remains that if everyone is a doctor or lawyer, no one would be there to manufacture products. You can bring back all the jobs you want and no one would be here to do them if we were all college graduates. Also, you're right about being able to pay people less. With as high as corporate taxes are here I wouldn't start a company on this soil. Without corporate taxes companies would come back because it would again be profitable to do business in the U.S. Unfortunately the Democrats can't stand that because they wouldn't be in control of every nook and cranny of our lives. Our money would be worth more too if we as Americans could agree to accept lower wages as a whole, but it would have to be simultaneous. By having less monetary to enforce lower prices, the value of our dollar goes up as well. You probably don't agree with me about this being the best way to do things which there's nothing wrong with that, but I don't see the government solving this problem. It's not a new problem and no difference has been made. I consider myself a moderate actually, but when it comes to education and economics, I'm a Goldwater/Reagan conservative.

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We might want to look at some data here:
Employment status of the civilian population 25 years and over by educational attainment, Jan 2012:
Less than a High School Diploma: 15.0
High School Diploma, No College: 9.5
Some College/Associate Degree: 7.5
Bachelor's Degree or Higher: 4.4

The labor force participation rates for these same for groups are:
Less than a High School Diploma: 45.3
High School Diploma, No College: 59.8
Some College/Associate Degree: 69.3
Bachelor's Degree or Higher: 75.7

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t04.htm
Yes, there are lots of people who didn't finish high school, or who finished high school but didn't get any further education, who've done well for themselves, because they've worked hard and made good choices. There are also people who have advanced university degrees who don't do well. But averages matter, too.

This is true but if everyone has a college degree and competes for high salaried jobs, then what happens to jobs that produce products and other services? Alot of why our manufacturing sector is gone is because people go to college instead of trade school. This is what happens when everyone goes to college. Again, college is good if you end up doing something that requires a degree.

The reason those jobs in manufacturing are going overseas is because it's possible to pay people in other countries a tenth as much money as American workers cost. They're often much less productive workers than Americans would be, but if wages are low enough, that's not a problem.

Still my point remains that if everyone is a doctor or lawyer, no one would be there to manufacture products. You can bring back all the jobs you want and no one would be here to do them if we were all college graduates. Also, you're right about being able to pay people less. With as high as corporate taxes are here I wouldn't start a company on this soil. Without corporate taxes companies would come back because it would again be profitable to do business in the U.S. Unfortunately the Democrats can't stand that because they wouldn't be in control of every nook and cranny of our lives. Our money would be worth more too if we as Americans could agree to accept lower wages as a whole, but it would have to be simultaneous. By having less monetary to enforce lower prices, the value of our dollar goes up as well. You probably don't agree with me about this being the best way to do things which there's nothing wrong with that, but I don't see the government solving this problem. It's not a new problem and no difference has been made. I consider myself a moderate actually, but when it comes to education and economics, I'm a Goldwater/Reagan conservative.

Is anyone actually saying that everyone should go to college and become and doctor or lawyer?!

There is soooo much reaching going on here.

Yes I know alot of people who say that and feel like their jobs are worthless which causes them to have no motivation in life or in their career. This stems from the liberal idea that if you don't go to college, then you can't accomplish anything. If the Democrats came right out and said that they'd lose votes so they speak in slick ways about it such as, "making college more affordable," or "equal opportunity." It's all a scam to get everyone enslaved to the federal government through school loans. Obama advocates this by wanting college graduates to work for the federal government in exchange for waving loan payments. For those of you who are ignorant to ancient history, this is what Rome defined as slavery.  Slavery back then meant someone who owed money or favors to another individual or body.