Karen Pence returns to teaching at anti-LBGTQ school

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Karen Pence's decision is fairly typical but another issue with this is the fact that schools exist at all that won't admit LGBTQA+ students. That is the most shameful thing of all.

That's not the issue here, either.  A gay student going to a school like this would be very bad for that student.  It's everything about it that is bad. 

Good point.

But Freedom of Religion! Freedom of Expression! Blah, blah, blah! Because, you know, those rights make it okay to limit everyone else's.

Folks. It's a matter of good and evil. It really is that simple, I'm sorry to say.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Karen Pence's decision is fairly typical but another issue with this is the fact that schools exist at all that won't admit LGBTQA+ students. That is the most shameful thing of all.

That's not the issue here, either.  A gay student going to a school like this would be very bad for that student.  It's everything about it that is bad.  

Good point.

But Freedom of Religion! Freedom of Expression! Blah, blah, blah! Because, you know, those rights make it okay to limit everyone else's.

Folks. It's a matter of good and evil. It really is that simple, I'm sorry to say.

People's Freedom of Expression is limited all the time.  And lawfully so.  People don't get to wear their Stormfront T-shirts to work on Casual Day, and rightfully so. 

No one is required to attend a religious public school.  One enrolls their kids in such a school with the understanding that is is what it is and the rules are what they are.  You don't get to go there and openly advocate behavior that is anti-Biblical.  This is true for church employment as well.

Echo Chamber threads like this aren't about honest discussion of issues.  They're about attempting to force people to outwardly conform to a viewpoint that millions do not accept, and cannot accept, for reasons that have to do with Scripture.  It's not enough for someone like me to refrain from discriminating in housing, employment, etc.  It won't be enough until I admit I'm wrong, and they're right, and, even then, a period of prescribed shaming will be in order.

So that's not going to happen, because I'm not going to say God is wrong.  I'm not going to say that the Bible is not the inerrant Word of God.  I'm not going to say the Bible means something very different than what it means, and I'm not going to buy into other points of view that require buying into all sorts of gyrations to come to their conclusion.  

God is wrong, and refusing to accept the dignity and worth of millions of fellow citizens "for reasons that have to do with Scripture" is ridiculous. Normatively speaking, I do think you should be forced out of these patterns that actively discriminate. Believe what you want, but you can't act on it if it's to the legitimate detriment of others. And I'm not sorry.

I am sorry, however, that you are so deluded to think it takes "gyrations" to accept, validate, and celebrate the contributions of queer people. It's sad, shameful, and wholly reflective of your shortcomings as a person.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Being gay isn’t about having sex, you self-righteous door stop.

How does it affect me that “in the privacy of your own home” you spout bullsh-t about gay folks being “less than?” That I need make it clear to you how your internal biases would end up affecting your actions and the environments with which you interact is a huge mark of your blindness and—yes indeed, I’ll say it!—your straight privilege. I’ll let you ponder it some more.

As for what I would have you do when your religion seems plain as day about its views on gay people? Well, that’s an easy one! Use your own f-cking brain, look past the dogma, realize that regarding a whole category of people as “less than” for no damn reason is a manifestation of hatred, and denounce your stupid religion, or at the very least denounce the tenets of it that preach and encourage discrimination. Why do that, when you “truly believe?” Because what your “word of God” says is wrong and harmful. It should not take that much brainpower to realize, though I guess it’s easier to let God think for you, isn’t it?

Anyhow, yes. You should be ashamed, and I will not stop being a thorn in the side of people like you until you realize you’re wrong. Not gonna happen, you say? Then I guess I’ll see you in hell. I respect your rights as a human being. But, for good reason, I have no respect for who you are. To you, by virtue of nothing more than who I love, I am unworthy. I don’t need to put up with that. And so that others won’t have to, there’s no way I’m going to let it go unchecked, either. That’s why we need a “pro-LGBT agenda” in school. You people do damage, and it’s no longer okay.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Take your strawmen somewhere else.