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AmericanNation
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« on: April 10, 2012, 12:56:02 PM »
« edited: April 10, 2012, 01:48:12 PM by AmericanNation »

The polling from PA does look weak for Obama, but it just seems odd that this candidate in this year would be the first Republican to break a 20-year losing streak in PA.

I had a similar thought, but if you think about it, it makes sense.  Significant #'s of non Yankee - blue color workers are fatigued and questioning the failed leadership of not just Obama, but 30 to 40 years of Democrats in their state.  Wisconsin is in the same boat.  Eventually you recognize you have been Orphaned by the democrat party.    
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2012, 06:55:38 AM »

Obama is going to play well in the Rust Belt?  Did you witness 2010?  What part of hostile to your existence is appealing?  Obama's Energy and Environmental policy (for instance) is driving a wedge into his coalition.  In WI, OH, PA, MI he needs to win blue collar whites or its over.  They BUILD things and use a ton of energy to do it.  Obama (and increasingly his party) is a mortal threat to their livelihood.         
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2012, 02:01:55 PM »

Obama is going to play well in the Rust Belt?  Did you witness 2010?  What part of hostile to your existence is appealing?  Obama's Energy and Environmental policy (for instance) is driving a wedge into his coalition.  In WI, OH, PA, MI he needs to win blue collar whites or its over.  They BUILD things and use a ton of energy to do it.  Obama (and increasingly his party) is a mortal threat to their livelihood.         

His record in saving the U.S. auto industry vs. recommending bankruptcy and potential liquidation (there was no private capital to be had in fall '08 to save Detroit) is going to help Obama. His energy record is more conservative (i.e., more drilly) now than his rhetoric was in '08. If these issues didn't deliver PA to McCain, I don't see how they're going to deliver it to Romney.

Romney said he would have had the government step in if there were no private capital (although he thinks their would be), to save the industry, but not government money to save the unions and their pension plans, which is what happened.   The BK tool would have been used for that.  So the message is anti union (when it comes to spending government money on them), not anti industry.
And they did go bankrupt after the government gave them a ton of money and then Obama violated bankruptcy law to screw over bond holders and pay off the UAW.  So, I'm not sure how "saving the auto industry from going bankrupt" when it "went bankrupt" is a winner.     
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2012, 03:03:27 PM »

I am the working white vote in Wisconsin
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2012, 12:31:52 PM »

I am the working white vote in Wisconsin
Unemployment's that bad there, eh?

Unemployment isn't good, but Business Climate, Tax Climate, Regulatory Climate had been a living hell (prior to Walker) and democrats always want it to be worse.  Thus, they cause more and more unemployment.  They even blocked Billions of dollars of investment into an Iron mine last month out of spite (didn't want Walker to look good).  I guess hundreds of high paying Union jobs in a depressed region of the state is a mortal threat to the democrat party of Wisconsin.     
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2012, 09:23:38 AM »

So Obama is up 8 points with women and Romney is up 10 points with men... Does Obama have a "Gender Gap" problem? ? ?
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2012, 09:47:29 AM »

He wrote an op-ed in the wall street journal at the time... it's a pay site so might not be able to find it. 
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2012, 11:03:09 AM »

Doesn't Fiat-Renault own like 58% of Chrysler? Didn't they buy that stake from the US Government?  isn't that 'private' capitol?  So was Mitt right about everything?
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2012, 02:20:24 PM »

Here is the article.  Mittens does not fully elucidate what a "managed bankruptcy" means in it

Note that Romney was predicting that a bailout would lead to the demise of Detroit. The opposite has happened - even with Obama overseeing the bailout, the unions made concessions, Detroit pivoted to producing smaller vehicles, and the automakers are profitable.
Romney said he would step in if it was necessary, during restructuring.  He doesn't think it was necessary and frankly he is more of an expert than Michigan polititians and the president of the United States.  It is a stupid issue.  IF he was wrong, he would have quickly stepped in and done a better job than Obama. 

"Demise" can be long term competitiveness problems, which may still linger.
"opposite has happened"  I think anyone can waste a ton of money, break a ton of laws, and 'successfully' prop up a company.  I don't think Mitt has said any differently.   
Is it the role of government 'pay off' Unions?
Is it the role of government to break the law?  Obama never explained why it was necessary to break the law... he can't because it wasn't.   
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2012, 06:06:59 PM »


And of course, don't you think a business consultant and venture capitalist would know how to put a company through bankrcupty and avoid its liquidation? Roll Eyes

YES!!!!! I want to emphasis that's what I meant by he (Romney) is more of an expert than Michigan polititians and the president of the United States.  Romney has specialized in buying and rebuilding 'troubled assets' like bankrupt companies.  His dad rebuilt a bankrupt American Motors.  It's a joke to think Mitt was somehow wrong and Obama 'saved the day.'    
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