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« on: August 31, 2012, 01:20:51 PM »

I fully support this endeavor, though not being a Whig I'll refrain from membership.
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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2012, 01:54:09 PM »


So long as we also allow the socialist neoliberals and authoritarian anarchists.
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2012, 06:58:47 AM »

I don't think a person can call oneself a libertarian unless they legitimately believe that every aspect of government ought to be minimized and not expanded in any way, shape, or form -- hence why I stopped using the word to classify my ideology a long time ago, but that's just me. Tongue

What about roundabout arguments (sort of recognizing that while the government and other individuals can infringe on liberty, the corporation is just as capable of doing so; thus, the proper role of government is to protect our liberties from both other individuals and corporations)? Roundabout arguments like the idea we need freedom of movement, so yes, the government can build the roads. We need freedom to live without being poisoned, so yes, the government can create national parks, restrict pollution, etc. People aren't really free unless they're free to actually live, so yes, the government can set a minimum wage. No one can be truly free if they are in fear for their lives, so yes, the government can fund emergency services and even some welfare programs. Government isn't the solution to the nation's problems, but it isn't so much about minimizing government intrusion, it's maximizing individual freedom through those who can protect them best from those who would infringe on them.
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