FT 9-05: Fremont Assault Weapons Ban Act (Final Vote)

[Mr. Reactionary]

Such actions will prevent hundreds, nay thousands of deaths each year.

Lol wut? Thats clearly bogus. Assault weapons make up like 2% of all gun homicides in Atlasia. In 2016 the FBI reported 374 homicides by ANY rifle, and thats for the entire country.

This moronic bill would do nothing but turn millions of citizens into criminals. You think survivalists and right wing types in Idaho and Montana are gonna just turn over their guns? You gonna do cabin to cabin searches of the entire vast backwoods of Fremont? There are millions of assault weapons in private hands. This wont prevent any deaths. It might actually increase them if you try confiscation between increased armed standoffs with law enforcement and provoked right wing militia types. This bill is retarded and I will sue if this or any similar garbage bill passes.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Define Assault weapon as guns that shoot flaming chainsaws wrapped in barbed wire.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Sustained rate of fire is too nebulous a measure, as its just a ballpark estimate of what a typical trained soldier can fire. When I googled it, some AR15 manuals boast 45 RPM but Wiki said 12-15 RPM is more accurate. Are you going to rely on manuals? Because they will deliberately underreport. Are you going to randomly pick a National Guardsman and let him set the sustained RPM pace? How "scientific".

With a semiautomatic rifle the RPM should be relatively uniform. If you can sustain a rate of fire of 30 trigger pulls/reaiming with an AR15, you can def sustain that rate of fire with a.22 that has almost no recoil. Or .22s are guns for babies. This would ban practically any semiautomatic firearm including .22 hunting rifles as well as any semiautomatic handgun.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Sustained rate of fire is too nebulous a measure, as its just a ballpark estimate of what a typical trained soldier can fire. When I googled it, some AR15 manuals boast 45 RPM but Wiki said 12-15 RPM is more accurate. Are you going to rely on manuals? Because they will deliberately underreport. Are you going to randomly pick a National Guardsman and let him set the sustained RPM pace? How "scientific".

With a semiautomatic rifle the RPM should be relatively uniform. If you can sustain a rate of fire of 30 trigger pulls/reaiming with an AR15, you can def sustain that rate of fire with a.22 that has almost no recoil. Or .22s are guns for babies. This would ban practically any semiautomatic firearm including .22 hunting rifles as well as any semiautomatic handgun.

Yes, sustained rate of fire is relatively nebulous, but it's the more lenient of the two measures. Cyclic is perhaps too onerous. Of course, this is the initial draft and I will propose more precise language in the revision. I wouldn't be opposed to using terms within the manual.

The second point about banning practically any semiautomatic firearm, however, would not hold because of the other test included in part 1. Gas operated firearms will be perfectly fine; only direct impingement and open bolt firearms would be targeted.

So to clarify it is your position that my semiautomatic AK47 clone and my custom AR15 build, both of which contain gas pistons, will still be legal the next time I spend a week target shooting in Fremont?

[Mr. Reactionary]

Have you got any better ideas?
If not go and heckle someone else.

The better idea is not to pass stupid laws banning things you clearly know nothing about.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Sustained rate of fire is too nebulous a measure, as its just a ballpark estimate of what a typical trained soldier can fire. When I googled it, some AR15 manuals boast 45 RPM but Wiki said 12-15 RPM is more accurate. Are you going to rely on manuals? Because they will deliberately underreport. Are you going to randomly pick a National Guardsman and let him set the sustained RPM pace? How "scientific".

With a semiautomatic rifle the RPM should be relatively uniform. If you can sustain a rate of fire of 30 trigger pulls/reaiming with an AR15, you can def sustain that rate of fire with a.22 that has almost no recoil. Or .22s are guns for babies. This would ban practically any semiautomatic firearm including .22 hunting rifles as well as any semiautomatic handgun.

Yes, sustained rate of fire is relatively nebulous, but it's the more lenient of the two measures. Cyclic is perhaps too onerous. Of course, this is the initial draft and I will propose more precise language in the revision. I wouldn't be opposed to using terms within the manual.

The second point about banning practically any semiautomatic firearm, however, would not hold because of the other test included in part 1. Gas operated firearms will be perfectly fine; only direct impingement and open bolt firearms would be targeted.

So to clarify it is your position that my semiautomatic AK47 clone and my custom AR15 build, both of which contain gas pistons, will still be legal the next time I spend a week target shooting in Fremont?

I will reiterate that the goal of this legislation is to create regulations for manufacturers and not for hobbyists.

You should offer another amendment then to remove possession and use from what is being banned then.

[Mr. Reactionary]

You should offer another amendment then to remove possession and use from what is being banned then.

Yes, that's a fair point, I'll offer up an amendment shortly.

Thanks. As an FYI that absolves most of my concerns  and while I still dont support the measure I am significantly less hostile now.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Honestly ASV, just let this bad bill get killed so the legislature can move onto things that are actually important and actually help people. Next in the queue is legislation that helps those affected by CA wildfires, but that can't be brought to the floor because you're caught up in selfish pet projects like this.

Selfish AND constitutionally suspect ...

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This is federally preempted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_of_Lawful_Commerce_in_Arms_Act

[Mr. Reactionary]

As it's been far longer than 36 hours since ASV left, I think this is tabled.

That’s not how this works. The standing orders on the wiki are out of date; I don’t play the search for a new sponsor game.

So is there a new sponsor?

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