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DC Al Fine
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« on: February 26, 2019, 06:15:30 PM »


Wow, abortion clinics are routinely denying care to babies who survive abortion?  And there's no way to change this without shutting them down?

It has a criminal penalty of 5 years for a vague set of circumstances like "immediately admitting and transporting the child to a hospital"  and "same degree of care/skill/diligence that would be given to any other child born alive"

It would leave abortion providers extremely vulnerable to lawsuits with severe criminal penalties.  

It's black and white that this bill has a simple aim to shutdown abortion providers.

Yes, admittedly if an attempted abortion results in a dead or severely injured newborn, the abortion provider could be open to prosecution or lawsuits.  If that worries abortion providers enough for them to close their doors, that says something.

This whole debate makes it very clear how impractical it is for birth to be the thing that grants a child rights, since things happen to a child before birth that can cause injury or death to them afterwards. So you have to choose, which is more important to protect, late-term abortion or the lives of born children.

What is the medical situation of the large majority of fetuses in the cases of late-term abortion?

I don’t know if you genuinely don’t know these are non-viable fetuses who are destined to die within a few hours of birth if they survive at all, or if you do and are being disingenuous.

The Guttmacher Institute found that

a) A majority of late term abortions are for reasons other than fetal defect or mother's life/health

b) Approximately 40% of women getting late term abortions cited "didn't know I was pregnant" as a major reason for getting a late term abortion.

The CDC says 1.3% of abortions are late term and that there  were about 640,000 abortions in 2015. Doing some back of the napkin calculations, we can estimate that there are a few thousand elective late term abortions of viable healthy babies in the USA per year.
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DC Al Fine
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« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2019, 06:26:51 PM »

Or put another way. If a few dozen murderers getting executed each year is unjust, please spare a thought for the late term babies who have comitted no crime.
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DC Al Fine
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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2019, 08:43:05 PM »

The Guttmacher Institute found that

a) A majority of late term abortions are for reasons other than fetal defect or mother's life/health

b) Approximately 40% of women getting late term abortions cited "didn't know I was pregnant" as a major reason for getting a late term abortion.

The CDC says 1.3% of abortions are late term and that there  were about 640,000 abortions in 2015. Doing some back of the napkin calculations, we can estimate that there are a few thousand elective late term abortions of viable healthy babies in the USA per year.
According to the link you (I think?) posted here recently, the "Guttmacher" (whoever that is, no idea if they're even credible) study concerned women who seek late term abortions, not those who get them. That's a huge difference and blows your whole argument away. Unless there's a medical reason, there isn't going to be a hospital that performs the late term abortion, no matter how badly the mothers want it.

I don't blame you BTW. As ExtremeRepublican says, to people who are strongly against legalized abortion, "the ends justify the means." Telling a little white lie or a throwing out a misleading stat is justifiable if abortion truly is the mass murder of millions of persons every year.

Guttmacher is a pro-abortion institute that is IIRC affiliated with Planned Parenthood.

To add to what Carpetbagger said, the study I cited said the following about their subjects.
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Harry's should spend a bit more time digging for the truth before lecturing me about it.
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