Evangelical Preacher Goes Viral Talking About the Trump Bible

[Fuzzy Bear]

The Parable of the Two Sons

28 “What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work today in the vineyard.’

29 “‘I will not,’ he answered, but later he changed his mind and went.

30 “Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, ‘I will, sir,’ but he did not go.

31 “Which of the two did what his father wanted?”

“The first,” they answered.

Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. 32 For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.

Trump has done more to advance the conservative and Christian causes than this random preacher. If he doesn't want to vote Trump its fine, its a free country, but I hope he stops slandering the President who has fought for him more than anyone in recent history.

Christians are to look to Christ, and not to Trump, or any other mortal human being, for their Salvation.  To the degree that this pastor was addressing this, he is correct.  I doubt Donald Trump spends lots of time reading Scripture (if, indeed, he spends any).  But his selling a Bible is not blasphemous, nor is it heresy, and people who say so don't know what those words mean.  He's not added to the Canon.  (If he has, I challenge you to take Catholics to task for adding the Apocrypha to the Canon; be consistent if you're going to "go there").  And a Trump Bible may well bring someone who needs the Word to read the Word.  

If it were truly Blasphemy, God would strike Donald Trump dead.  There is no forgiveness for blasphemy, and no further purpose for someone's life who commits the sin of aggrieving the Holy Ghost in such a manner.  That hasn't happened.  

Christians have to choose between two (2) candidates.  One of them (Trump) is a sinful man who has advanced issues important to them for Biblical reasons, regardless of what his personal beliefs really are.  The other (Biden) has allied himself with persons who advocate abortion on demand at public expense up until the point of death.  The allies of Biden are people who are downright hostile to Biblical Christianity; they are advocates of SSM, Drag Queen Story Hour, and allowing teachers to discuss questions of Gender Identity with elementary school children without their parents' knowledge or consent.  I could go on and on.  But on Election Day, their choice remains one between a candidate with a record of enacting many IMPORTANT (to Biblical Christians) policy initiatives and a candidate who takes multiple policy positions that are the polar opposite of Scripture and pushes for those positions.

When you vote for a candidate, would you vote for a candidate who (A) stood for the opposite of what you believe when (B) another candidate who believed in what you believe was also on the ballot and had a track record of advancing those positions?  If your choice is option B, pray tell me why Christians should not do the same?

[Fuzzy Bear]

Really do not understand the left wing obsession this month over the SANCTITY of the Bible. Who cares?

It almost makes me want to get my special edition to trigger the fundamentalists, who are a far greater danger than any other ideology. The reactionary tendencies of the majority of organized Christian groups have increased significantly over the last two years. These hate groups need to be infiltrated and stamped out of existence.

I mentioned this in a different thread, but biblical illiteracy is the problem here. The vast majority of evangelicals have never read the Bible (and 99.9% of people on the left have never even opened it) and the evangelicals that have read it rely very heavily on notes and commentary from what we can basically just call evangelical "influencers". Generations have been convinced that they're going to get raptured out of their clothes while they're shopping at Sears, even though none of that crap is in the Bible.

The greatest cure for this is to get these people to crack open a Bible and read it without any of the schizophrenic commentary, but most of them are never going to do it.

Ironcially yes. There are polls that show that evangelicals often spout off false and heretical theology without even knowing it, while being homophobic to the core.

We've got a guy in here saying that if someone is guilty of blasphemy, he'd be dead. Nevermind that Jesus Christ clearly says that all blasphemy can be forgiven except the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost, and even in that case, he said it in response to scribes and pharisees that accused him of being in league with Satan. Those scribes and pharisees were not struck dead for blasphemy at that moment, in fact they were probably the same ones that got Jesus crucified at the end of his ministry.

The only way to believe such a thing is to have never critically read the Bible. I'm not saying that to be mean, it's just how it is. I'd say the same thing if someone told me that Anna Karenina immigrated to America to become a country singer at the end of the story. You just didn't read Anna Karenina very well, lol. 

Blasphemy IS aggrieving the Holy Ghost, period.  If it's not against the Holy Ghost, it's something else.

[Fuzzy Bear]

It’s blasphemous for Americans to conceive of their government as a covenant between themselves and God? Was it blasphemous for the Israelites to do the same? This guy is a hack!

The covenants between Jehovah God and Israel in the Old Testament are different than the Covenant between Jesus and Believers in the New Testament.

[Fuzzy Bear]

It’s blasphemous for Americans to conceive of their government as a covenant between themselves and God? Was it blasphemous for the Israelites to do the same? This guy is a hack!

The covenants between Jehovah God and Israel in the Old Testament are different than the Covenant between Jesus and Believers in the New Testament.

Do you worship a living God or a dead God? Was your God the God of Abraham, or is your God the God of Abraham?

My God is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.  The people who lived in Old Testament times did not have the full revelation of God that we have obtained through Christ.

[Fuzzy Bear]

*insert rant about the Establishment Clause* etc

The Establishment Clause does not prohibit people who are fervently religious from being elected to office.  Nor does it prohibit the enacting of public policy that is motivated by those beliefs.

Every public policy is motivated by something.  There are Constitutional tests for laws and policies, but saying a policy violates the Establishment Clause because its sponsors were motivated by religious faith would be effectively excluding religious people from meaningful political involvement.  "Politics" is a process that involves more than expressing your opinion; it involves the avenue for the possibility of  you to persuade others and for your beliefs to actually be reflected in law or policy as a result of the process.

[Fuzzy Bear]

When you vote for a candidate, would you vote for a candidate who (A) stood for the opposite of what you believe when (B) another candidate who believed in what you believe was also on the ballot and had a track record of advancing those positions?  If your choice is option B, pray tell me why Christians should not do the same?

There is a third choice here, which is to not vote at all. Politics is a power game. It’s inherently sinful, encourages idolatry, and politicians who take up the mantle of advancing Christian ideas often create false religions that inadvertently misconstrue the word of God. You say that Trump selling bibles could introduce people to God, but making Trump the face of Christian America could just as easily repel people (such those who don’t agree with Trump on policy/and or find his behavior repulsive), thereby making a path to salvation more difficult for those people.

Changing laws can only do so much to change people’s behavior. The only real way to accomplish that  is by changing hearts. I don’t know a single person whose life has been changed by a government program, but I can name dozens who’ve been changed by a gentle offer to attend church. This is, of course, just my perspective, and I enjoyed reading yours.

Changing laws can undo the stability of an entire nation, depending on the law.