New ranking of most Democratic and Republican states

[12th Doctor]

I say PA should be in the Republican catagory or at leas the least Dem leaning state.  We have a Republican upper and lower houses.  We have a congressional delegation that is overwhealmingly Republican and a Republican Atty. General.

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I'm glad that you pointed out the truth about Minnesota though.  

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Connecticut is less democratic than West Virginia and Louisiana?  Two states that Gore lost, even though Gore won ever single district in Connecticut and over 80% of towns.

Gore does not=Democrat.
Gore did worse in WV and LA than he should have done (the failure to campaign in WV in the last few days cost him the election. And in LA for some reason he did worse than Dukakis in the Cajun area).
And besides... Louisiana and West Virginia have some of the strongest Democrat machines in America.

Al, I honestly don't think that you understand something.  West Virginia is a Democrat state, but not an Al Gore, John Kerry Democrat state.  It IS a Zell Miller, 'Scoop' Jackson, Hubert Humphrey, Joe Liebermann Democrat state.  You may not recongnize the difference, but there is one.

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Nah... it's more of a Byrd Democrat state... Maybe Miller of the early 90's... but not the Miller of 2004.

Uh, no, it really isn't.

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Joe Lieberman is a disgrace to the democratic party.  He should become a republican already so we can vote him out....

The only reason he won re-election last time is because the Republicans put a CONVICTED CHILD MOLESTOR up to run against him.

See this shows the state of the modern Democratic Party.  They take one of the few decent, fair-minded, all-around-good-guy people left in thier party (certainly in the Senate) and call him a disgrace to the party.  Tell me, why is he a disgrace?

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Miller and Lieberman are fiscal conservatives... but Miller when he was GA gov... yeah probably.

But I agree that WV is something of a Humphrey-Democrat state ("Humphrey... The Peoples Democrat").

Gore should have won WV in 2000... Had he campaigned in the state he would have got more people from mining communities to vote, which would have sealed it nicely.

But that's off topic.

Have you people ever stoped to consider the obvious: Miller hasn't changed.  The Democrats have changed.  If Gore had put the effort in WV that he needed to win the state, he'd have lost Oregon, New Mexico, Wisconsin, Iowa and probably Minnesota too.

There is something you need to understand, Al Gore and John Kerry aren't the type of Dems that can be elected in WV.  They just aren't, policy wise and personality wise, viable candidates there.  I know what voters in West Virginia are like.  They aren't that much different from voters in the area where I grew up anf they will flatly reject Kerry, just like they did Gore.

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Lieberman is a disgrace on many levels.

The most important of which is that he votes with the Republicans too often because of his own political ambitions.  We have known for years here in CT that he wanted to run for President.  

The fact is that Connecticut is one of the most liberal states in the country and we don't elect someone to congress so they can talk about family values.  We want someone who votes our interests.  And he has done NOTHING for the state of Connecticut but vote with religious zealots as if he was representing Alabama.  Not to mention the fact that as a Connecticut Taxpayer I send my money to Washington and little of it comes back to the state.  So what has he done for the state?  Absolutely nothing.  He's not even a good fiscal conservative.  I will not be voting for him the next time he is up for re-election.  I will likely not vote Republican but I am not going to an endorse a religious extremist like him.

LMAO "religious extremeist", what world are you living in that you consider Joe Liebermann a religious extremist.  I think that you are the one who is extreme if you really believe that.

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By Connecticut standards he is a religious extremist.  I have seen him at rally's and such.  Where I live, we don't like politicians who exploit religion for political gain... as he does at every opportunity.  He also has supported a lot of pro-religion and pro-censorship positions in congress that were very unpopular in Connecticut.  

Again this is by the standards of his electorate.  We are the ones voting him into office, not the United States as a whole.  He should represent our views, not the most moderate views in the country so he can run a national campaign.  While I am not thrilled with Kerry, at least he didn't have a fake voting record to run for President the way Lieberman has had his entire political career.  

So the fact that he even mentions God makes him extreme?  

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I don't think when some of them try and get evolution out of the classroom or ban being gay or ban abortion that they are simply standing in place.  

They want us to think that they merely want to slow social progress but their plan is much more devious than that.  What they really want is to outlaw freedom of religion and implement christianity as the national religion of this country.  They will also stop at nothing to achieve this goal.  

sh**t!!!!  Guys he's on to us.  Damn!!!  Who let that one slip?  How did you find this out?  Someones gonna have to pay.  We'll have to eliminate you before you go on and tell everyone else about our plans.


GOD!!!  I can't believe that anyone could be so dillusional as to acctually believe that crap.  Tell me, is Liebermann in on it too, or is he an unwitting participant?

Ban being gay!?!?  What, did you and your friends make that up?

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Hey, if you read the other topic before going on your pedantic little rant you'd see right-wing fanatics like you *have* in fact tried to ban being gay.  So, no I didn't "make that up," expand your mind and read it for yourself...  

And next time you call someone delusional, learn how to spell the word...  or else it makes you sound... well, delusional.

Well, you got me.  I spelled a word incorrectly.  Thank you pointing that out in your arguement.  I'm sure that it makes you feel like a big man now.

Right wing fanatics in one county have banned being gay.  Whopedy Doo.  That doens't represent a large measure of conservative american and it certainly doesn't represent the Republican Party as a whole.

I find it mildly entertaining that you would call me a 'fanatic' when you were the one that called Joe Liebermann a 'religious extremeist'.  Then when I asked you what you meant, you said that 'By Conn. standards he is', so maybe it's you who needs to expand your mind out of the little liberal haven your living in up there.

Just a thought.

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I am the one who is talking about issues outside of my state.  You are the one merely making personal attacks when you can't defend the things your party is up to.

What are we up to?  Your the one who is here making outrageous claims.  Your the one who took time out to mock me for misspelling a word.  You want to have a talk about issues then lets have it.  You want to run around calling people extremists, than I can play that game too.

Your the one who claimed that we want to 'outlaw freedom'.  What is your basis for this?  Do you have any empirical evidence for this claim.  You called Joe Liebermann a religious extremist?  Why?  You said that Republicans and conservatives want to 'ban being gay'.  Other than what happened in this one county, you can't claim any evidence to support this claim.

You say that we are narrow-minded and intollerant, but you are intollerant toward people who never did anything to you, havn't done anything wrong and just have a different perspective on life than you do and calling Liebermann an extremist seems to me to be proof of my claim.

You run around making one personal attack after another on Republicans on this site.  You mischarecterize our possitions and then when I try to call you on it or at least give you some perspective that there is a nation out side of New England or your own little liberal world and that those people are different from you and have different beliefs and that's okay, because they aren't hurting anyone, you go off on me about how intollerant I am and how I'm engaging in personal attacks.

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I think it's time for a general calm down...

Supersoulty, I think he got affected by discussing gay rights with StatesRights and Brambilla for, well, hours. I can feel the same effect on myself...sometimes when one is in the middle of a heated discussion the heat and anger gets carried over to another topic and hits someone else. I agree CTguy went overboard, but I think there's a reason for it...

So why does he have to take it out on me.  Jesus.  You guys know that I'm not a bomb throwing conservative right-winger, but now he is attacking me on multiple threads.

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I think it's time for a general calm down...

Supersoulty, I think he got affected by discussing gay rights with StatesRights and Brambilla for, well, hours. I can feel the same effect on myself...sometimes when one is in the middle of a heated discussion the heat and anger gets carried over to another topic and hits someone else. I agree CTguy went overboard, but I think there's a reason for it...

So why does he have to take it out on me.  Jesus.  You guys know that I'm not a bomb throwing conservative right-winger, but now he is attacking me on multiple threads.

I know that, but he hasn't been around as long...I am not saying that he's right, I think he went too far, I just explained to you why I think that is. He's been enduring gay-bashing on a few other threads for too long...

Well, I don't engage in that.  Most conservatives on this forum don't engage in that, so why is he flying off the handle and calling us all extreme and saying that we ALL have secret plans.  I've lost my tempor to in the past, but never without good reason and i never directed my anger against anyone who wasn't the reason I was angry.  This guy has seriously just become YOUR PD, here.

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But I agree that anyone who fields secret-plan-conspiracies is losing his edge...

Well that was my only point.

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Funny how super has everyone feeling sorry for him, if you re-read the posts, he started with the personal attacks.  I merely told him if he's going to call me delusional, he should at least learn how to spell the word so he doesn't sound like a moron.

You know what, I don't have to dignify you with a response so I just won't.  Believe what you want.  Just don't bother me about it on other threads.

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Funny how super has everyone feeling sorry for him, if you re-read the posts, he started with the personal attacks.  I merely told him if he's going to call me delusional, he should at least learn how to spell the word so he doesn't sound like a moron.

No, you made a delusional post and he told you that it was. That isn't really a personal attack...just like is isn't a personal attack to call people like StatesRights or Brambilla bigoted.

Thanks Gus.

[12th Doctor]

we kind of know Soulty and might not agree on few things but he is a great guy.
hell, back last month  I predicted he will be on the 2036 rep (real) ticket, leading the ticket that is....

Thanks.  I missed that prediction, but thanks.  I feel the love guys, thank you.  

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we kind of know Soulty and might not agree on few things but he is a great guy.
hell, back last month  I predicted he will be on the 2036 rep (real) ticket, leading the ticket that is....

Thanks.  I missed that prediction, but thanks.  I feel the love guys, thank you.  

Man, don't you remember, I said you will be 2 terms CA
governor (like Reagen). Your memory is short, maybe you'll be the vp option...

LOL yes I remember now.  I think that by that time they will just abolish the Vice-presidency.