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Anna Komnene
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« on: October 01, 2017, 03:18:28 PM »

I absolutely stand with Senators Scott and ZuWo on this. The idea that Atlasia should be fined for going through a serious discourse as opposed to mindlessly doing what we're told is ridiculous and the idea that if we refused to pay the fine, we would face nuclear war, is even more ridiculous.
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Anna Komnene
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« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2017, 06:15:45 PM »

This idea that we dragged our feet is totally whack a doodle. The treaty was introduced in the Senate on September 25th and now the vote is finishing up on October 1. And like half of that time was literally the Senate's standard procedure for voting on things. If we didn't have debate, there wouldn't even be a timetable on the war resolution, which is an idea that seems to be pretty popular among literally everyone in congress. Seriously.
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Anna Komnene
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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2017, 06:36:52 PM »

Well I wasn't even in the Senate until September 18th, so, I can't really speak for what was going on with this issue before I was in the Senate, but I haven't seen any posts calling for the Senate to take up the treaty or anything. In fact I don't even see any posts in this thread about a deadline. I guess it must have been one of those mythical classified infos I keep hearing about. All I know is that when the Senate brought forward the treaty, we got it done within a week.
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Anna Komnene
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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2017, 07:08:50 PM »

This idea that we dragged our feet is totally whack a doodle. The treaty was introduced in the Senate on September 25th and now the vote is finishing up on October 1. And like half of that time was literally the Senate's standard procedure for voting on things. If we didn't have debate, there wouldn't even be a timetable on the war resolution, which is an idea that seems to be pretty popular among literally everyone in congress. Seriously.

It should also be noted that you made an issue about advancing this because of the Draft Restriction Amendment, which wasn't even relevant to the deal anyway. China asked for 30k troops, not enough to trigger us to reinstate the draft.

(This is not to say I disagree with the Draft Resolution Amendment, because I completely support it. I'm simply stating it had nothing to do with the deal)

So? It added like 2 days of discussion, and it encouraged congress to actually get that done now instead of sometime next century. Before we added a timetable to the bill, there was no guarantees that the war wouldn't get worse and need to be extended. And really, there still isn't any guarantee of that since Congress could always pass a new bill to extend it. I think that whenever we're in a major war, the draft is always relevant. Atlasians deserve to have their say on that with everything going on.
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Anna Komnene
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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2017, 08:07:15 PM »
« Edited: October 01, 2017, 08:09:28 PM by Siren »

Not getting into my opinion of that being posted, I'd like to point out there there was no mention of nuclear threats by China nor any ironclad deadline, only statements that "ideally they would like it ironed out by the end of the month" and that they would like to see it getting worked on. I was also told at some point, I think during the Senate debates, that there was info we weren't allowed to know. All things that the Senate did. And by the way, I feel like the Senate having started the vote before the deadline was passed is actually a pretty good argument in favor the Senate beating the deadline. Because the main reason why votes last for 3 days is because people live in different time zones and have lives, etc.
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