SurveyUsa - Florida likes Paul Ryan

[mondale84]

This feels like the right thread for these hilarious images:

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Paul Ryan isn't attractive. END OF STORY.

[cavalcade]

I of course agree that we should be patient and wait for more data beyond this and the Purple poll.  A week from now, pre-convention, there should be some post-bounce numbers.  But scanning the crosstabs shows net favorability among independents and zero net favorability among (Obama-leaning) moderates.  In an RV poll, he does well among seniors and does better among landline respondents, who I would guess are more likely to actually vote in November than other groups.  It is certainly not bad news for the ticket and anyone who went around saying "lolz Romney just lost Florida" was incorrect- Ryan only causes Romney to lose Florida if Obama can convince seniors that Romney will cut their own Medicare.

[mondale84]

I of course agree that we should be patient and wait for more data beyond this and the Purple poll.  A week from now, pre-convention, there should be some post-bounce numbers.  But scanning the crosstabs shows net favorability among independents and zero net favorability among (Obama-leaning) moderates.  In an RV poll, he does well among seniors and does better among landline respondents, who I would guess are more likely to actually vote in November than other groups.  It is certainly not bad news for the ticket and anyone who went around saying "lolz Romney just lost Florida" was incorrect- Ryan only causes Romney to lose Florida if Obama can convince seniors that Romney will cut their own Medicare.

Which is going to happen since he's facing the most inept presidential campaign in modern times.

[Politico]

I of course agree that we should be patient and wait for more data beyond this and the Purple poll.  A week from now, pre-convention, there should be some post-bounce numbers.  But scanning the crosstabs shows net favorability among independents and zero net favorability among (Obama-leaning) moderates.  In an RV poll, he does well among seniors and does better among landline respondents, who I would guess are more likely to actually vote in November than other groups.  It is certainly not bad news for the ticket and anyone who went around saying "lolz Romney just lost Florida" was incorrect- Ryan only causes Romney to lose Florida if Obama can convince seniors that Romney will cut their own Medicare.

Which is [not] going to happen since he's facing the most inept [Obama's] presidential campaign [is only talking about tax returns and how bad it is to be well-off] in modern times.

Fixed.

[mondale84]

I of course agree that we should be patient and wait for more data beyond this and the Purple poll.  A week from now, pre-convention, there should be some post-bounce numbers.  But scanning the crosstabs shows net favorability among independents and zero net favorability among (Obama-leaning) moderates.  In an RV poll, he does well among seniors and does better among landline respondents, who I would guess are more likely to actually vote in November than other groups.  It is certainly not bad news for the ticket and anyone who went around saying "lolz Romney just lost Florida" was incorrect- Ryan only causes Romney to lose Florida if Obama can convince seniors that Romney will cut their own Medicare.

Which is [not] going to happen since he's facing the most inept [Obama's] presidential campaign [is only talking about tax returns and how bad it is to be well-off] in modern times.

Fixed.

LOL. Obvious hack is obvious

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I of course agree that we should be patient and wait for more data beyond this and the Purple poll.  A week from now, pre-convention, there should be some post-bounce numbers.  But scanning the crosstabs shows net favorability among independents and zero net favorability among (Obama-leaning) moderates.  In an RV poll, he does well among seniors and does better among landline respondents, who I would guess are more likely to actually vote in November than other groups.  It is certainly not bad news for the ticket and anyone who went around saying "lolz Romney just lost Florida" was incorrect- Ryan only causes Romney to lose Florida if Obama can convince seniors that Romney will cut their own Medicare.

Which is [not] going to happen since he's facing the most inept [Obama's] presidential campaign [is only talking about tax returns and how bad it is to be well-off] in modern times.

Fixed.

It's bad to be a disensouled tax-dodging pimpernel, hack.

[Politico]

I of course agree that we should be patient and wait for more data beyond this and the Purple poll.  A week from now, pre-convention, there should be some post-bounce numbers.  But scanning the crosstabs shows net favorability among independents and zero net favorability among (Obama-leaning) moderates.  In an RV poll, he does well among seniors and does better among landline respondents, who I would guess are more likely to actually vote in November than other groups.  It is certainly not bad news for the ticket and anyone who went around saying "lolz Romney just lost Florida" was incorrect- Ryan only causes Romney to lose Florida if Obama can convince seniors that Romney will cut their own Medicare.

Which is [not] going to happen since he's facing the most inept [Obama's] presidential campaign [is only talking about tax returns and how bad it is to be well-off] in modern times.

Fixed.

It's bad to be a disensouled tax-dodging pimpernel, hack.

Being a failed president is even worse. Obviously only one of the two apply to either candidate. But I do find it telling that you and your ilk implicitly believe the IRS to be stooges that have allowed Romney to get away with fiscal murder. Meanwhile, you have no problem with Harry Reid, a man supposedly of modest means, somehow being able to afford to live at the Ritz Carlton.

Serial hypocrisy and failed policies. No wonder nobody is taking Democrats seriously anymore, and siding with Romney/Ryan on ending the era of Big Governmet. Keep it up and you'll soon have a 1980 landslide to cry over.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I of course agree that we should be patient and wait for more data beyond this and the Purple poll.  A week from now, pre-convention, there should be some post-bounce numbers.  But scanning the crosstabs shows net favorability among independents and zero net favorability among (Obama-leaning) moderates.  In an RV poll, he does well among seniors and does better among landline respondents, who I would guess are more likely to actually vote in November than other groups.  It is certainly not bad news for the ticket and anyone who went around saying "lolz Romney just lost Florida" was incorrect- Ryan only causes Romney to lose Florida if Obama can convince seniors that Romney will cut their own Medicare.

Which is [not] going to happen since he's facing the most inept [Obama's] presidential campaign [is only talking about tax returns and how bad it is to be well-off] in modern times.

Fixed.

It's bad to be a disensouled tax-dodging pimpernel, hack.

Being a failed president is even worse. Obviously only one of the two apply to either candidate. But I do find it telling that you and your ilk implicitly believe the IRS to be stooges that have allowed Romney to get away with fiscal murder. Meanwhile, you have no problem with Harry Reid, a man supposedly of modest means, somehow being able to afford to live at the Ritz Carlton.

Serial hypocrisy and failed policies. No wonder nobody is taking Democrats seriously anymore, and siding with Romney/Ryan on ending the era of Big Governmet. Keep it up and you'll soon have a 1980 landslide to cry over.

I'm not even going to deal with most of this post except to point out that you misspelled 'Big Government', but are you seriously claiming that tax-dodging doesn't exist?

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Getting back to the subject at hand, I'd also like to point out that this survey indicates that the Ryan selection makes those independents who are swayed by it less likely to vote for Romney by a similar but inverted margin to the (skewed by the awful sample) topline.

[BEWARE! RESULTS OF DIVISION INVOLVING <1 NUMBERS AHEAD!]

If any of you guys are interested, if we assume a D37-R36-I27 electorate for 2012 (which we will remember is one point more Democratic than 2010 relative to the Republicans though SurveyUSA might have also underpolled independents or something) and keep all of the other numbers the same, including, shall we say, oddities like thirty-five per cent of Democrats whose minds are changed by the Ryan pick having their minds changed by it in a favorable direction, we end up with...a less-than-two-per-cent bounce, and remain with the inherently ridiculous (for purposes of prognosticating about November) number of sixteen and a half per cent of Florida voters having their preferences changed by a Vice-Presidential pick in August.

We're also still left with stuff, for example, like Ryan at 36-34 favorable among women and 51-30 among men, but men who have 'changed their minds' exactly tied as to which direction and women in the same position breaking 63-35 Republican. If you're interested in partisan rather than sexual divides, the equivalent numbers for Democratic voters are 13-60, 35-65.

Also, the topline exceeds two-thirds landline phones. That's about the division between people who even own landlines and people who solely use cell phones, and many people these days, myself included, have landlines but primarily use cell phones.

All of which, of course, matters only insofar as it shows why this is not a good poll.

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Yeah. I'm really panicking here.

[Politico]

I of course agree that we should be patient and wait for more data beyond this and the Purple poll.  A week from now, pre-convention, there should be some post-bounce numbers.  But scanning the crosstabs shows net favorability among independents and zero net favorability among (Obama-leaning) moderates.  In an RV poll, he does well among seniors and does better among landline respondents, who I would guess are more likely to actually vote in November than other groups.  It is certainly not bad news for the ticket and anyone who went around saying "lolz Romney just lost Florida" was incorrect- Ryan only causes Romney to lose Florida if Obama can convince seniors that Romney will cut their own Medicare.

Which is [not] going to happen since he's facing the most inept [Obama's] presidential campaign [is only talking about tax returns and how bad it is to be well-off] in modern times.

Fixed.

It's bad to be a disensouled tax-dodging pimpernel, hack.

Being a failed president is even worse. Obviously only one of the two apply to either candidate. But I do find it telling that you and your ilk implicitly believe the IRS to be stooges that have allowed Romney to get away with fiscal murder. Meanwhile, you have no problem with Harry Reid, a man supposedly of modest means, somehow being able to afford to live at the Ritz Carlton.

Serial hypocrisy and failed policies. No wonder nobody is taking Democrats seriously anymore, and siding with Romney/Ryan on ending the era of Big Governmet. Keep it up and you'll soon have a 1980 landslide to cry over.

I'm not even going to deal with most of this post except to point out that you misspelled '[mistyped] Big Government', but are you seriously claiming that tax-dodging doesn't exist?

Fixed. I sometimes make mistakes, especially on mobile devices.

Romney certainly did NOT avoid paying taxes for years. That does not happen in the real world with regards to the wealthy unless we're talking about drug kingpins. To the best of my knowledge, the Democrats are not claiming that Mitt Romney is Walter White incarnate. That may be their next line of attack, though. Claiming Romney did not pay taxes for ten years has about as much truth to it as the notion of Romney being the drug kingpin who rules Boston, Detroit and Salt Lake City.

[NHI]

Just wait till the Paul Ryan Medicare Mom commercials start!

Romney has displayed his brilliant business acumen by selecting the most marketable running mate in history.

Amen Politico!

[pepper11]

Just wait till the Paul Ryan Medicare Mom commercials start!

Romney has displayed his brilliant business acumen by selecting the most marketable running mate in history.

Amen Politico!

Indeed.

[mondale84]

Just wait till the Paul Ryan Medicare Mom commercials start!

Romney has displayed his brilliant business acumen by selecting the most marketable running mate in history.

Amen Politico!

LOL trollish hacks.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=61636b58-4e81-44c6-97f3-67681942f437

17% of registered voters in the state of Florida say they will change who they will vote for in the election for President as a result of Mitt Romney's selection of Paul Ryan as Vice President, according to a SurveyUSA poll conducted statewide for WFLA-TV in Tampa.

Of those who will change their vote, 57% say they are more likely to vote for Romney, 42% say they are less likely to vote for Romney. The state of Florida is one of the most important swing-states in the country.




59% say excellent or good choice.

Just wait till the Paul Ryan Medicare Mom commercials start!

Romney has displayed his brilliant business acumen by selecting the most marketable running mate in history.

Amen Politico!

I'm shocked; I thought that would hurt Romney in Florida because of Ryan's Medicare plan and the large retiree population there.  Chuck Todd said on NBC last weekend (then again, consider the source) that it's very unpopular with the public.  But I don't get it.  It doesn't affect anyone 55 or over, and for those under 55, it just gives them the option to create a private health insurance account.

[Joe Biden 2020]

Just wait till the Paul Ryan Medicare Mom commercials start!

Romney has displayed his brilliant business acumen by selecting the most marketable running mate in history.

Amen Politico!

LOL trollish hacks.

So, to say anything good about Romney or bad about Obama is trollish hackery?  Plus, I dont know why people arent delivering the real truth on either side that Romney still leads the ticket, not Ryan, and Mittens has made it clear that they will be running with the Romney budget, not the Ryan budget.  Romney will not get rid of Medicare.  That is something he disagrees with Ryan on.  Get it straight.

[mondale84]

Just wait till the Paul Ryan Medicare Mom commercials start!

Romney has displayed his brilliant business acumen by selecting the most marketable running mate in history.

Amen Politico!

LOL trollish hacks.

So, to say anything good about Romney or bad about Obama is trollish hackery?  Plus, I dont know why people arent delivering the real truth on either side that Romney still leads the ticket, not Ryan, and Mittens has made it clear that they will be running with the Romney budget, not the Ryan budget.  Romney will not get rid of Medicare.  That is something he disagrees with Ryan on.  Get it straight.

Really? How do we know? Mitt hasn't presented the public with anything about his plans once in office. Therefore, the public draws conclusions from his statements in support of the Ryan plan and his selection of Ryan as a running mate.

[Joe Biden 2020]

Just wait till the Paul Ryan Medicare Mom commercials start!

Romney has displayed his brilliant business acumen by selecting the most marketable running mate in history.

Amen Politico!

LOL trollish hacks.

So, to say anything good about Romney or bad about Obama is trollish hackery?  Plus, I dont know why people arent delivering the real truth on either side that Romney still leads the ticket, not Ryan, and Mittens has made it clear that they will be running with the Romney budget, not the Ryan budget.  Romney will not get rid of Medicare.  That is something he disagrees with Ryan on.  Get it straight.

Really? How do we know? Mitt hasn't presented the public with anything about his plans once in office. Therefore, the public draws conclusions from his statements in support of the Ryan plan and his selection of Ryan as a running mate.

I agree he needs to detail his plans, but seniors should not automatically run away from thre GOP just because of this pick.

[krazen1211]

Since 2010 the Republicans have gained 1 net point in Voter registration in Florida.

It's a great time to be a Floridian.

[mondale84]

Just wait till the Paul Ryan Medicare Mom commercials start!

Romney has displayed his brilliant business acumen by selecting the most marketable running mate in history.

Amen Politico!

LOL trollish hacks.

So, to say anything good about Romney or bad about Obama is trollish hackery?  Plus, I dont know why people arent delivering the real truth on either side that Romney still leads the ticket, not Ryan, and Mittens has made it clear that they will be running with the Romney budget, not the Ryan budget.  Romney will not get rid of Medicare.  That is something he disagrees with Ryan on.  Get it straight.

Really? How do we know? Mitt hasn't presented the public with anything about his plans once in office. Therefore, the public draws conclusions from his statements in support of the Ryan plan and his selection of Ryan as a running mate.

I agree he needs to detail his plans, but seniors should not automatically run away from thre GOP just because of this pick.

People aren't going to see the distinction. People see Romney and Ryan and they'll think: they'll take my Medicare. The Republicans tried this before with Bush and it didn't work. Not going to happen here either.

[Pheurton Skeurto]

-stands before the flamewar-

i like Paul Ryan

-leaves-

[Joe Biden 2020]

Just wait till the Paul Ryan Medicare Mom commercials start!

Romney has displayed his brilliant business acumen by selecting the most marketable running mate in history.

Amen Politico!

LOL trollish hacks.

So, to say anything good about Romney or bad about Obama is trollish hackery?  Plus, I dont know why people arent delivering the real truth on either side that Romney still leads the ticket, not Ryan, and Mittens has made it clear that they will be running with the Romney budget, not the Ryan budget.  Romney will not get rid of Medicare.  That is something he disagrees with Ryan on.  Get it straight.

Really? How do we know? Mitt hasn't presented the public with anything about his plans once in office. Therefore, the public draws conclusions from his statements in support of the Ryan plan and his selection of Ryan as a running mate.

I agree he needs to detail his plans, but seniors should not automatically run away from thre GOP just because of this pick.

People aren't going to see the distinction. People see Romney and Ryan and they'll think: they'll take my Medicare. The Republicans tried this before with Bush and it didn't work. Not going to happen here either.

Ehh, I see what you're saying, but I think most Senior Citizens are smarter and wiser than we give them credit for.  I think once they start paying attention in full force, they'll see that while Ryan does want to get rid of Medicare, Romney is still at the top of the ticket and has said they will run on his plan, not on Ryan's plan.  Romney needs to come out and make known what his plan is and do it sooner rather than later as early voting will start in early September.  The longer he waits, the more chance the Seniors do what you say and will default to Ryan's plan and yes that will scare them.  I know many Seniors in Oklahoma who do not like Medicare, but see it as a necessary evil (this is coming from my friends who are nurses and pharmacists).

Romney can still win this thing quite easily, but he needs to get his plan out there soon or else it could be a little bigger margin and a little earlier night.

[Lief 🗽]

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