July 2013 Interregional Debate!

[PJ]

Next question: what is your position on gun control?

[PJ]

Is no one going to answer the question???

My answer: I believe in universal background checks and a banning of semiautomatic rifles. I am against the banning of all guns.

[Hash]

I obviously support gun control. I voted against an open carry something rather in the IDS Legislature recently.

This debate, like past debates, continues to ignore the real issues and focuses on fairly irrelevant issues or issues where legislators in this game can hardly make a real or effective difference.

[PJ]

I obviously support gun control. I voted against an open carry something rather in the IDS Legislature recently.

This debate, like past debates, continues to ignore the real issues and focuses on fairly irrelevant issues or issues where legislators in this game can hardly make a real or effective difference.

I did ask about the attempts to label NM-AM a terrorist organization. You of all people should find that important.

[PJ]

Next question: What piece of legislation will you personally push for, should you win office?

[Sec. of State Superique]

This debate, like past debates, continues to ignore the real issues and focuses on fairly irrelevant issues or issues where legislators in this game can hardly make a real or effective difference.

What would be the real issues my friend? And don't try to talk with me about Game Reform because we can't spend a whole year talking about Game Reform. If you think that Gun Control is not a real issue, I believe that you should reconsider your stay on that kind of debates or even at Atlasia.

[Hash]

This debate, like past debates, continues to ignore the real issues and focuses on fairly irrelevant issues or issues where legislators in this game can hardly make a real or effective difference.

What would be the real issues my friend? And don't try to talk with me about Game Reform because we can't spend a whole year talking about Game Reform. If you think that Gun Control is not a real issue, I believe that you should reconsider your stay on that kind of debates or even at Atlasia.

On the contrary, game reform remains the most pressing issue in Atlasia. I understand that the political castes and the reactionaries prefer whistling past the graveyard, willfully ignoring this important issue and instead talking about anything - everything - except game reform. Let's just sit around the bonfire and make sure to never deal with the actual issues. What has the butthurt over the Pacific operation turned into now? A stupid McCarthyist witch hunt about "terrorists" and banning political parties. Any initial serious discussion about addressing the root causes of the crisis has been replaced by that stupid McCarthyist witch-hunt which so many have cheered on. Or, at best, discussions of unemployment/the economy - not that the latter isn't important or relevant (it is) - but which still don't focus on the tangible issues and crises which made the Pacific situation possible in the first place. I'm not saying that we should focus solely and entirely on game reform issues, because that's stupid, but I'm saying that we focus too much on various other issues and all end up ignoring serious problems which legislators and executives have the ability to actually fix. I understand that we've talked a lot about game reform, but I haven't seen tons of words being put into actions...

I have no clue what your last sentence is supposed to mean, but are you saying that if I don't consider gun control to be an important issue, I should reconsider my participation in Atlasia? If so, that's an unbelievably stupid thing to say. Naturally everybody has different views on what constitutes 'real issues' in Atlasia and what issues engages them with the game; it shouldn't be up to you to determine what constitutes 'real issues' and which issues others are allowed to engage with.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

I have two potential proposals. First a liberal reform regarding gun rights with a heavy emphasis on education and training. Yes folks have a right to semi automatics. Its proven that more guns in the hands of a responsible citizen lead to less crime. Background checks are fine because we shouldn't have convicted violent felons running around with guns. As part of this I'd advocate open carry with the stipulation of added education in the use and maintenance of said firearm. Ohio's conceal carry law would be an influence towards this end. Also a return to the old Mideast Abortion Statute. The new one is too liberal and what Texas is trying to do is admirable.

[PJ]

This debate, like past debates, continues to ignore the real issues and focuses on fairly irrelevant issues or issues where legislators in this game can hardly make a real or effective difference.

What would be the real issues my friend? And don't try to talk with me about Game Reform because we can't spend a whole year talking about Game Reform. If you think that Gun Control is not a real issue, I believe that you should reconsider your stay on that kind of debates or even at Atlasia.

On the contrary, game reform remains the most pressing issue in Atlasia. I understand that the political castes and the reactionaries prefer whistling past the graveyard, willfully ignoring this important issue and instead talking about anything - everything - except game reform. Let's just sit around the bonfire and make sure to never deal with the actual issues. What has the butthurt over the Pacific operation turned into now? A stupid McCarthyist witch hunt about "terrorists" and banning political parties. Any initial serious discussion about addressing the root causes of the crisis has been replaced by that stupid McCarthyist witch-hunt which so many have cheered on. Or, at best, discussions of unemployment/the economy - not that the latter isn't important or relevant (it is) - but which still don't focus on the tangible issues and crises which made the Pacific situation possible in the first place. I'm not saying that we should focus solely and entirely on game reform issues, because that's stupid, but I'm saying that we focus too much on various other issues and all end up ignoring serious problems which legislators and executives have the ability to actually fix. I understand that we've talked a lot about game reform, but I haven't seen tons of words being put into actions...

I have no clue what your last sentence is supposed to mean, but are you saying that if I don't consider gun control to be an important issue, I should reconsider my participation in Atlasia? If so, that's an unbelievably stupid thing to say. Naturally everybody has different views on what constitutes 'real issues' in Atlasia and what issues engages them with the game; it shouldn't be up to you to determine what constitutes 'real issues' and which issues others are allowed to engage with.

Then what issues do you consider real besides game reform? I think what Superique is trying to say is that if we compare Atlasia to playing Life, instead of playing the game you're focused on changing the rules.

[Sec. of State Superique]

This debate, like past debates, continues to ignore the real issues and focuses on fairly irrelevant issues or issues where legislators in this game can hardly make a real or effective difference.

What would be the real issues my friend? And don't try to talk with me about Game Reform because we can't spend a whole year talking about Game Reform. If you think that Gun Control is not a real issue, I believe that you should reconsider your stay on that kind of debates or even at Atlasia.

On the contrary, game reform remains the most pressing issue in Atlasia. I understand that the political castes and the reactionaries prefer whistling past the graveyard, willfully ignoring this important issue and instead talking about anything - everything - except game reform. Let's just sit around the bonfire and make sure to never deal with the actual issues. What has the butthurt over the Pacific operation turned into now? A stupid McCarthyist witch hunt about "terrorists" and banning political parties. Any initial serious discussion about addressing the root causes of the crisis has been replaced by that stupid McCarthyist witch-hunt which so many have cheered on. Or, at best, discussions of unemployment/the economy - not that the latter isn't important or relevant (it is) - but which still don't focus on the tangible issues and crises which made the Pacific situation possible in the first place. I'm not saying that we should focus solely and entirely on game reform issues, because that's stupid, but I'm saying that we focus too much on various other issues and all end up ignoring serious problems which legislators and executives have the ability to actually fix. I understand that we've talked a lot about game reform, but I haven't seen tons of words being put into actions...

I have no clue what your last sentence is supposed to mean, but are you saying that if I don't consider gun control to be an important issue, I should reconsider my participation in Atlasia? If so, that's an unbelievably stupid thing to say. Naturally everybody has different views on what constitutes 'real issues' in Atlasia and what issues engages them with the game; it shouldn't be up to you to determine what constitutes 'real issues' and which issues others are allowed to engage with.

Then what issues do you consider real besides game reform? I think what Superique is trying to say is that if we compare Atlasia to playing Life, instead of playing the game you're focused on changing the rules.

I wouldn't stress so much the "Life"-thing but I joined in Atlasia, and I believe that most guys here joined in Atlasia, because they wanted to discuss about politics, because they wanted to emulate the process of passing and making legislation. I see no reason why we should keep so much time talking about Game Reform, does it really change things? I think that even if we try to reform this game in order to spring up activity, things won't change to much.

Sometimes I like the idea of a bicameral system but still I don't think that it will really change Atlasia. Why people think that abolishing regions and creating a House of Representatives would bring real difference to Atlasia? It could make the legislation-making process more difficult perhaps, it could provide more energized debates for some, but what about the many others that would stay in a perfect limbo? Atlasia is about doing politics and if there not so many offices, I don't think that this game could really work. What we can do, however, is to provide some more challenges into quasi-dead regions. The Pacific could reduce the number of legislators for example,  but still things will not radically change.

[PJ]

I agree, and the point I was trying to make is in a game about politics, we should discuss politics, not just the rules.

[PJ]

I would like to clarify that this debate is open to all political races, including the recent senate campaigns.