Family of protester killed by bulldozer suing Caterpillar

[angus]

oh, everybody knows that much.

I'm talking about the Democrat mindset.  What WalterMitty once referred to on this forum as the "culture of dependence" which I very much believe is related to what I call the sue-happy society.

[opebo]

oh, everybody knows that much.

I'm talking about the Democrat mindset.  What WalterMitty once referred to on this forum as the "culture of dependence" which I very much believe is related to what I call the sue-happy society.

Well, I didn't actually state a position on what I thought the outcome of the suit should be.  I'm actually not sure.  But one things for sure, if you sell something big to the Isrealis, there is a damn good chance it is going to be used to kill people.

It is a shame that the family couldn't sue Isreal and that the US doesn't bother to hold Isreal to account for killing its citizens, but then again I guess that protester was not of the ruling party.

[angus]

the fact that it would even occur to you that there's any relevance in "they sold it to someone with" any tendency whatsoever is indicative of a certain warping of the mind.  Not that mine isn't warped as well.  just warped in a different way. 

[opebo]

the fact that it would even occur to you that there's any relevance in "they sold it to someone with" any tendency whatsoever is indicative of a certain warping of the mind.  Not that mine isn't warped as well.  just warped in a different way. 

I see your point, and I'm really not decided on the issue.  It is really more that I wanted to denigrate the Isrealis than establish a precendent for responsibility in selling.   Perhaps that is an unreasonable burden to place on a private corporation like Caterpillar.  Alternatively the US government could have simply banned all sales of heavy equipment to Isreal once it was established that such equipment would be used to kill American citizens.

[John Dibble]

Alternatively the US government could have simply banned all sales of heavy equipment to Isreal once it was established that such equipment would be used to kill American citizens.

Given that the U.S. is a veritable melting pot of people's from around the world, even if the driver saw the woman, how would he know she was American?

[opebo]

Alternatively the US government could have simply banned all sales of heavy equipment to Isreal once it was established that such equipment would be used to kill American citizens.

Given that the U.S. is a veritable melting pot of people's from around the world, even if the driver saw the woman, how would he know she was American?

Irrelevant, though he could've assumed she might be.  Point is, he thought she was a palestinian and that he could simply run over her at will, with no repercussions.  It is the sort of State where extrajudicial killing and lack of accountability is rife - and when an American is killed as part of this charnel house, why shouldn't the US exact some punishment?  Did Saddam ever squash any Americans?  Other than when he was attacked I mean.

[John Dibble]

Alternatively the US government could have simply banned all sales of heavy equipment to Isreal once it was established that such equipment would be used to kill American citizens.

Given that the U.S. is a veritable melting pot of people's from around the world, even if the driver saw the woman, how would he know she was American?

Irrelevant, though he could've assumed she might be.  Point is, he thought she was a palestinian and that he could simply run over her at will, with no repercussions.  It is the sort of State where extrajudicial killing and lack of accountability is rife - and when an American is killed as part of this charnel house, why shouldn't the US exact some punishment?  Did Saddam ever squash any Americans?  Other than when he was attacked I mean.

Ok, first off, let's be honest here - we don't really know what the guy was thinking. He may have indeed not saw her, he may have done it on purpose - fact is we can't really know for sure.

Now, you once again show your lack of understanding about the world - America is on the side of Israel when it comes down to it. Now, if the government knew for a fact that this woman was killed on purpose, two things would happen - either they would come out about it and demand something be done or else, or they would keep quiet. Why would they keep quiet? For consistency's sake, I ask you to remember there's a guy in the White House who you do not trust at all. What use would a pro-Israel government have for an anti-Israel protester citizen? So, either our government thinks it was indeed an accident, or they know and they are being quiet about it. Now, I think it is the former, as I don't think Bush would approve the intentional killing of an innocent American civilian.

[opebo]

Alternatively the US government could have simply banned all sales of heavy equipment to Isreal once it was established that such equipment would be used to kill American citizens.

Given that the U.S. is a veritable melting pot of people's from around the world, even if the driver saw the woman, how would he know she was American?

Irrelevant, though he could've assumed she might be.  Point is, he thought she was a palestinian and that he could simply run over her at will, with no repercussions.  It is the sort of State where extrajudicial killing and lack of accountability is rife - and when an American is killed as part of this charnel house, why shouldn't the US exact some punishment?  Did Saddam ever squash any Americans?  Other than when he was attacked I mean.

Ok, first off, let's be honest here - we don't really know what the guy was thinking. He may have indeed not saw her, he may have done it on purpose - fact is we can't really know for sure.

Now, you once again show your lack of understanding about the world - America is on the side of Israel when it comes down to it. Now, if the government knew for a fact that this woman was killed on purpose, two things would happen - either they would come out about it and demand something be done or else, or they would keep quiet. Why would they keep quiet? For consistency's sake, I ask you to remember there's a guy in the White House who you do not trust at all. What use would a pro-Israel government have for an anti-Israel protester citizen? So, either our government thinks it was indeed an accident, or they know and they are being quiet about it.

You misjudge me!  I fully recognize the Realpolitic going on here, though there doesn't seem to be much reason for supporting the Isrealis.  Of course nobody on the pro-Isreali side really cares about one girl getting killed.

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We definitely disagree there!

[angus]

this is the banner I get now at the top of my uselectionatlas.org page

Como são produzidas as células vermelhas?

it's unrelated, but I was looking for a bono thread in which to place it.  though it was kinda cool.  anyone else getting this?

[dazzleman]

Unbelieveable!!

This is an outgrowth of lawsuits against gun manufacturers. Fortunately the gun manufacturers, with the support of the NRA, are winning many of the legal battles. Unfortunately there probably is no National Buldozer Association. I hope Caterpillar will stand up to them rather than settling out of court.

I agree.  The girl essentially committed suicide.  She was told to move and she didn't.  She was in a war zone.  Maybe she should have opposed the homicide bombers who were killing innocent civilians.

I have no sympathy.  Caterpillar is not responsible in any case, any more than BMW is responsible if I run somebody over with my car.  And I don't even hold the Israelis responsible.  That girl has herself to blame for her death, nobody else.

homicide bombers, lol. FAUX News nonsense.

News flash: suicide bombers are not called "suicide bombers" to honor them (not like suicide is considered honorable in our society anyway) but to differientate them from bombers who don't blow up themselves in the process. Timothy McVeigh is also a homicide bomber, yet there's a clear difference in methods between him and Hamas suicide bombers.

I don't use the term "suicide bomber" because it implies the person only wants to kill himself, when the goal is to kill others, with the suicide being a necessary side effect.

That girl was an idiot who had no business being there.  Another Laurie Berenson.  I feel sorry for any family who loses a child, but the girl has herself to blame.

[David S]

Unbelieveable!!

This is an outgrowth of lawsuits against gun manufacturers. Fortunately the gun manufacturers, with the support of the NRA, are winning many of the legal battles. Unfortunately there probably is no National Buldozer Association. I hope Caterpillar will stand up to them rather than settling out of court.

I agree.  The girl essentially committed suicide.  She was told to move and she didn't.  She was in a war zone.  Maybe she should have opposed the homicide bombers who were killing innocent civilians.

I have no sympathy.  Caterpillar is not responsible in any case, any more than BMW is responsible if I run somebody over with my car.  And I don't even hold the Israelis responsible.  That girl has herself to blame for her death, nobody else.

No, the Isrealis are to blame - all they had to do was get off the bulldozers, grab her, and arrest her.  I think they're so used to killing people freely, without any investigation or accountabilityj, they just went ahead and did it because they felt like it.  Perhaps they thought she was just another subhuman (Palestinian).

If they didn't see her, how where they to know they needed to stop the bulldozer, grab her, and arrest her?

They were no doubt lying.  Anyway, it is incumbent upon bulldozer drivers to look where they are going.

There may be a valid complaint against the driver of the bulldozer. The court should decide that. But suing Caterpillar is ridiculous. Of course the lawyers realize Caterpillar has more money than the driver.

Ah, but they sold it to an entity - the Isreali governement - with a known propensity to crush people. 

Wow!!

[Bono]

this is the banner I get now at the top of my uselectionatlas.org page

Como são produzidas as células vermelhas?

it's unrelated, but I was looking for a bono thread in which to place it.  though it was kinda cool.  anyone else getting this?

That means 'How are (red) blood cells produced."

[angus]

ah, I had figured it all out except vermelhas.

(as in "How are produced the _________ cells?")

Now I feel silly, as this is obviously related to our word "vermillion"

(I tend to call that stuff mercuric sulfide,  but I'd forgotten that the common name for that pigment is vermillion, after the little worm)

thanks.

[Bono]

ah, I had figured it all out except vermelhas.

(as in "How are produced the _________ cells?")

Now I feel silly, as this is obviously related to our word "vermillion"

(I tend to call that stuff mercuric sulfide,  but I'd forgotten that the common name for that pigment is vermillion, after the little worm)

thanks.

opps, I actually meant "How are red (blood) cells produced."

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Unbelieveable!!

This is an outgrowth of lawsuits against gun manufacturers. Fortunately the gun manufacturers, with the support of the NRA, are winning many of the legal battles. Unfortunately there probably is no National Buldozer Association. I hope Caterpillar will stand up to them rather than settling out of court.

I agree.  The girl essentially committed suicide.  She was told to move and she didn't.  She was in a war zone.  Maybe she should have opposed the homicide bombers who were killing innocent civilians.

I have no sympathy.  Caterpillar is not responsible in any case, any more than BMW is responsible if I run somebody over with my car.  And I don't even hold the Israelis responsible.  That girl has herself to blame for her death, nobody else.

homicide bombers, lol. FAUX News nonsense.

News flash: suicide bombers are not called "suicide bombers" to honor them (not like suicide is considered honorable in our society anyway) but to differientate them from bombers who don't blow up themselves in the process. Timothy McVeigh is also a homicide bomber, yet there's a clear difference in methods between him and Hamas suicide bombers.

I don't use the term "suicide bomber" because it implies the person only wants to kill himself, when the goal is to kill others, with the suicide being a necessary side effect.

That girl was an idiot who had no business being there.  Another Laurie Berenson.  I feel sorry for any family who loses a child, but the girl has herself to blame.

I dare you to find a single person who thinks the term suicide bomber means the person only intends to kill themselves.

Everyone knows what suicide bombers are. Timothy McVeigh is a homicide bomber, yet his clearly different from the people in question. The correct term would actually be suicide/homicide bombers, but since I can't see why a person would only want to blow up themselves and thus there are no such incidents, suicide bomber can be used for short and everyone with half a brain knows what it means.

[Hitchabrut]

Well, I sure understand her rationale, terrorists need homes too, they're innocent human beings....

[opebo]

Well, I sure understand her rationale, terrorists need homes too, they're innocent human beings....

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