Trump Loyalist Pushes 'Post-Constitutional' Vision for Trump's Second Term

[Badger]

This title is misleading, he is accusing the democrats of breaking the constitution not advocating for that itself.

The fact is the federal bureaucracy has far overstepped its constitutional boundaries by acting like a 4th branch of government and it is high time they get reigned in. Yes bureaucrats should not undermine a President's agenda outside the extremely rare case as they are part of the executive branch and not their own branch. Also there is absolutely no case for them to have the power to basically create laws which they have done as well so its high time for them to be reigned in.

Sadly our nominee is not the guy who can do that as the candidate to do that was Ron DeSantis. Not to worry though as the Supreme Court likely will get rid of the Chevron doctrine which will be a huge step in bringing the bureaucracy back in line.

Love that your entire post is acting like the idea is curtailing bureaucracy when the first two things on this guys list is drawing up plans for Trump to use the military to shoot at any left leaning protest and having the DOJ be personally loyal to Trump

HW Bush used the military to stop the LA Riots and Trump not doing the same in the summer of 2020 was a huge moment of cowardice.

K not really addressing my point but go off

Don't engage the child

[Badger]

It's amazing how many times OSR has been dead wrong and yet his confidence never wavers when he makes new predictions that are based on nothing more than his feelings. 

If you guys are so worried about how Trump will use the bureaucracy, then maybe you should support the Reins Act or SCOTUS getting rid of the Chevron doctrine.

The bureaucracy should either be far weaker than it is today or yes ones who try to undermine the President should be fired. The bureaucracy should not be an independent branch of government and believing so is actually very undemocratic

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[Badger]

For those of you insisting on engaging with beep boop, we are missing of course the most important question of all. What would Mitt Romney and Stephen Harper say about this?!?

[OSR stands with Israel]

It's amazing how many times OSR has been dead wrong and yet his confidence never wavers when he makes new predictions that are based on nothing more than his feelings. 

If you guys are so worried about how Trump will use the bureaucracy, then maybe you should support the Reins Act or SCOTUS getting rid of the Chevron doctrine.

The bureaucracy should either be far weaker than it is today or yes ones who try to undermine the President should be fired. The bureaucracy should not be an independent branch of government and believing so is actually very undemocratic

The bureaucracy should be something of a child between the Presidency and Congress, and should be governed by both.   

The recent problem we have is that Congress is too dysfunctional to fulfill it's role in all but the most dire of circumstances. 

The world nowadays is too complex to have no bureaucracy at all, that would be pure idiocy to reduce it or minimize it to be functionally useless to act except when Congress says so. 

No regulations on pollution?  No regulation on nuclear weapons?  No labor rights?   We simply cannot go back to "what the founding fathers intended" simply because the founding fathers lived in an incredibly smaller, simpler world than the one we live in today.

This is not exactly true. For example they have the ability to regulate pollution because of the clean air act but they do not have the right to create a cap and trade system or regulate emissions because congress has not given them the authority. The same is true with the other examples you gave as regulatory agencies job should be to enforce laws congress passed and not create new ones which is what setting up a cap and trade system would do.

Anyway if you think the bureaucracy should have a big role because of congress being dysfunctional then yes they should not undermine the President's agenda because again nobody elected them to anything. So firing a bunch of bureaucrats who try to undermine a President's agenda is not authoritarian or undemocratic but the exact opposite as the President is actually elected.

[OSR stands with Israel]

For those of you insisting on engaging with beep boop, we are missing of course the most important question of all. What would Mitt Romney and Stephen Harper say about this?!?

The fact you seem to misunderstand is that its not that us conservatives are unable to understand your argument but we simply dont agree on the premise of the argument to begin with.

Also you always thought I just looked the other way on what DeSantis was doing to higher education because of tax cuts but the fact is I supported him because of what he was doing on educational policy not inspite it. In fact If you asked me would I rather have the next GOP president cut corporate taxes to 15% or implement DeSantis's Higher Education Policy, then I would choose the latter easily.

[Badger]

For those of you insisting on engaging with beep boop, we are missing of course the most important question of all. What would Mitt Romney and Stephen Harper say about this?!?

The fact you seem to misunderstand is that its not that us conservatives are unable to understand your argument but we simply dont agree on the premise of the argument to begin with.

Also you always thought I just looked the other way on what DeSantis was doing to higher education because of tax cuts but the fact is I supported him because of what he was doing on educational policy not inspite it. In fact If you asked me would I rather have the next GOP president cut corporate taxes to 15% or implement DeSantis's Higher Education Policy, then I would choose the latter easily.

Oh, I forgot, also what does Ron DeSantis think? Way to stay true to form beep boop.

[OSR stands with Israel]

For those of you insisting on engaging with beep boop, we are missing of course the most important question of all. What would Mitt Romney and Stephen Harper say about this?!?

The fact you seem to misunderstand is that its not that us conservatives are unable to understand your argument but we simply dont agree on the premise of the argument to begin with.

Also you always thought I just looked the other way on what DeSantis was doing to higher education because of tax cuts but the fact is I supported him because of what he was doing on educational policy not inspite it. In fact If you asked me would I rather have the next GOP president cut corporate taxes to 15% or implement DeSantis's Higher Education Policy, then I would choose the latter easily.

Oh, I forgot, also what does Ron DeSantis think? Way to stay true to form beep boop.

You guys are losing right now but all you guys seem to do is insult voters over and over. You really think calling anyone who may not vote for your side : racist, unamerican, evil , stupid is the way to win an election cause that seems like an extremely counterproductive strategy

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For those of you insisting on engaging with beep boop, we are missing of course the most important question of all. What would Mitt Romney and Stephen Harper say about this?!?

The fact you seem to misunderstand is that its not that us conservatives are unable to understand your argument but we simply dont agree on the premise of the argument to begin with.

Also you always thought I just looked the other way on what DeSantis was doing to higher education because of tax cuts but the fact is I supported him because of what he was doing on educational policy not inspite it. In fact If you asked me would I rather have the next GOP president cut corporate taxes to 15% or implement DeSantis's Higher Education Policy, then I would choose the latter easily.

Oh, I forgot, also what does Ron DeSantis think? Way to stay true to form beep boop.

You guys are losing right now but all you guys seem to do is insult voters over and over. You really think calling anyone who may not vote for your side : racist, unamerican, evil , stupid is the way to win an election cause that seems like an extremely counterproductive strategy

Literally no one gives a sh!t what a bunch of people say on an obscure political cartography blog, much in the way you don't give a sh!t about why people don't agree with you. Which is why you ignore most of them and begin engaging in non sequiturs after you lose an argument.

Very tiresome. And unlike Keystone Phil, you don't even make it entertaining.

[OSR stands with Israel]

For those of you insisting on engaging with beep boop, we are missing of course the most important question of all. What would Mitt Romney and Stephen Harper say about this?!?

The fact you seem to misunderstand is that its not that us conservatives are unable to understand your argument but we simply dont agree on the premise of the argument to begin with.

Also you always thought I just looked the other way on what DeSantis was doing to higher education because of tax cuts but the fact is I supported him because of what he was doing on educational policy not inspite it. In fact If you asked me would I rather have the next GOP president cut corporate taxes to 15% or implement DeSantis's Higher Education Policy, then I would choose the latter easily.

Oh, I forgot, also what does Ron DeSantis think? Way to stay true to form beep boop.

You guys are losing right now but all you guys seem to do is insult voters over and over. You really think calling anyone who may not vote for your side : racist, unamerican, evil , stupid is the way to win an election cause that seems like an extremely counterproductive strategy

Literally no one gives a sh!t what a bunch of people say on an obscure political cartography blog, much in the way you don't give a sh!t about why people don't agree with you. Which is why you ignore most of them and begin engaging in non sequiturs after you lose an argument.

Very tiresome. And unlike Keystone Phil, you don't even make it entertaining.

I am not even talking about myself. I am pointing out Democrats and liberals in the media have come to the conclusion that there is no reasonable reason anyone can vote for Trump and that type of mentality will hurt the dems in 2024.

The mentality shown by red avatars here is indicative of the mentality shown by Democratic strategists and liberal media pundits and that could very much cost them this election

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

For those of you insisting on engaging with beep boop, we are missing of course the most important question of all. What would Mitt Romney and Stephen Harper say about this?!?

The fact you seem to misunderstand is that its not that us conservatives are unable to understand your argument but we simply dont agree on the premise of the argument to begin with.

Also you always thought I just looked the other way on what DeSantis was doing to higher education because of tax cuts but the fact is I supported him because of what he was doing on educational policy not inspite it. In fact If you asked me would I rather have the next GOP president cut corporate taxes to 15% or implement DeSantis's Higher Education Policy, then I would choose the latter easily.

Oh, I forgot, also what does Ron DeSantis think? Way to stay true to form beep boop.

You guys are losing right now but all you guys seem to do is insult voters over and over. You really think calling anyone who may not vote for your side : racist, unamerican, evil , stupid is the way to win an election cause that seems like an extremely counterproductive strategy

Literally no one gives a sh!t what a bunch of people say on an obscure political cartography blog, much in the way you don't give a sh!t about why people don't agree with you. Which is why you ignore most of them and begin engaging in non sequiturs after you lose an argument.

Very tiresome. And unlike Keystone Phil, you don't even make it entertaining.

I am not even talking about myself. I am pointing out Democrats and liberals in the media have come to the conclusion that there is no reasonable reason anyone can vote for Trump and that type of mentality will hurt the dems in 2024.

The mentality shown by red avatars here is indicative of the mentality shown by Democratic strategists and liberal media pundits and that could very much cost them this election

A point well-made. It's not wise to treat voters like that or even treat that as your default frame of mind when looking at swing voters currently leaning towards the other side. You win voters over by letting them at least feel like they are being given a hearing.

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For those of you insisting on engaging with beep boop, we are missing of course the most important question of all. What would Mitt Romney and Stephen Harper say about this?!?

The fact you seem to misunderstand is that its not that us conservatives are unable to understand your argument but we simply dont agree on the premise of the argument to begin with.

Also you always thought I just looked the other way on what DeSantis was doing to higher education because of tax cuts but the fact is I supported him because of what he was doing on educational policy not inspite it. In fact If you asked me would I rather have the next GOP president cut corporate taxes to 15% or implement DeSantis's Higher Education Policy, then I would choose the latter easily.

Oh, I forgot, also what does Ron DeSantis think? Way to stay true to form beep boop.

You guys are losing right now but all you guys seem to do is insult voters over and over. You really think calling anyone who may not vote for your side : racist, unamerican, evil , stupid is the way to win an election cause that seems like an extremely counterproductive strategy

Literally no one gives a sh!t what a bunch of people say on an obscure political cartography blog, much in the way you don't give a sh!t about why people don't agree with you. Which is why you ignore most of them and begin engaging in non sequiturs after you lose an argument.

Very tiresome. And unlike Keystone Phil, you don't even make it entertaining.

I am not even talking about myself. I am pointing out Democrats and liberals in the media have come to the conclusion that there is no reasonable reason anyone can vote for Trump and that type of mentality will hurt the dems in 2024.

The mentality shown by red avatars here is indicative of the mentality shown by Democratic strategists and liberal media pundits and that could very much cost them this election

Here's the thing, Beep Boop: there is no good reason to vote for or defend Donald Trump. The median American voter is about as far from rational thinking as you can imagine. This is why having a constructive dialogue has become impossible. And it's not just Atlas, it's not just red avatars, it's society in general. Why? Largely because it's the internet that allows us to choose our sources of information, choose our own facts, choose whose narrative we are going to follow uncritically, and become more tribalized as well as inclined to vote based on vibe or emotion rather than facts which may be counterproductive to our desired narrative.

I can't recall the last time you had an original thought that wasn't ripped from some talking head or politician. You are among the very large flock of people on this site who parrot what they are told to think, and in your case repeat it ad nauseam in thread after thread. Open your f#cking eyes, son!

[Badger]

For those of you insisting on engaging with beep boop, we are missing of course the most important question of all. What would Mitt Romney and Stephen Harper say about this?!?

The fact you seem to misunderstand is that its not that us conservatives are unable to understand your argument but we simply dont agree on the premise of the argument to begin with.

Also you always thought I just looked the other way on what DeSantis was doing to higher education because of tax cuts but the fact is I supported him because of what he was doing on educational policy not inspite it. In fact If you asked me would I rather have the next GOP president cut corporate taxes to 15% or implement DeSantis's Higher Education Policy, then I would choose the latter easily.

Oh, I forgot, also what does Ron DeSantis think? Way to stay true to form beep boop.

You guys are losing right now but all you guys seem to do is insult voters over and over. You really think calling anyone who may not vote for your side : racist, unamerican, evil , stupid is the way to win an election cause that seems like an extremely counterproductive strategy

Literally no one gives a sh!t what a bunch of people say on an obscure political cartography blog, much in the way you don't give a sh!t about why people don't agree with you. Which is why you ignore most of them and begin engaging in non sequiturs after you lose an argument.

Very tiresome. And unlike Keystone Phil, you don't even make it entertaining.

I am not even talking about myself. I am pointing out Democrats and liberals in the media have come to the conclusion that there is no reasonable reason anyone can vote for Trump and that type of mentality will hurt the dems in 2024.

The mentality shown by red avatars here is indicative of the mentality shown by Democratic strategists and liberal media pundits and that could very much cost them this election

Here's the thing, Beep Boop: there is no good reason to vote for or defend Donald Trump. The median American voter is about as far from rational thinking as you can imagine. This is why having a constructive dialogue has become impossible. And it's not just Atlas, it's not just red avatars, it's society in general. Why? Largely because it's the internet that allows us to choose our sources of information, choose our own facts, choose whose narrative we are going to follow uncritically, and become more tribalized as well as inclined to vote based on vibe or emotion rather than facts which may be counterproductive to our desired narrative.

I can't recall the last time you had an original thought that wasn't ripped from some talking head or politician. You are among the very large flock of people on this site who parrot what they are told to think, and in your case repeat it ad nauseam in thread after thread. Open your f#cking eyes, son!

Truer words have never been spoken.

[Landslide Lyndon]

If you guys think Trump will turn the US into a dictatorship using the bureaucracy then maybe you should support weakening its powers , otherwise its just nonsense fearmongering.

If you really believed he would then you would support the Reins Act, getting rid of the Chevron Doctrine and weaking those agencies in general but you guys don't support that which means you really dont believe what you are saying about Trump

It's almost endearing that OSR thinks Trump will use the "bureaucracy" to become a dictator.
Like your house is on fire but you think that the biggest threat is that monster hiding under your bed.