Why aren't federal judges combating states which pass anti-BDS legislation?
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« Reply #50 on: February 13, 2018, 03:04:45 PM »

Cornyn doesn't even support breaking off diplomatic recognition of Israel or sanctioning it, much less a preemptive attack.
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« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2018, 04:12:21 PM »

To my knowledge, Boer South Africa never forciblly sterilized non-white immigrants or trained it's snipers with child sized targets, or murdered an American woman with a bulldozer, or had a secret nuclear program while also demanding the bombing of any country that tries something similar, so they're actually better than Israel.

Well, the first one is just an explicit blood libel, given that no one was ever sterilized (they were given birth control without their knowledge, something that was stopped when it came to light).

As for the nuclear program, you're right. It shouldn't be secret. With the rise of the likes of Corbyn around the world, it needs to be made explicit and Israel should start developing a peaceful ICBM deterrent, if they don't have one already. Never again means never again.

I oppose BDS (as does Corbyn, fwiw), but I find it rather distasteful that you imply my country should be nuked for democratically electing a leader you dislike.

I don't think anyone should be nuked. But I think that "leader I dislike" is the most dangerous potential world leader of a Western nation in decades, and his pathological hatred for Israel and Jews would put my people and my family in mortal danger. Thus, a deterrent that would never be used unless he crosses many lines would be ideal.

MAD is the only way Israel can survive. It got us through the cold war as a civilization, and it'll get us through now.
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« Reply #52 on: February 13, 2018, 05:03:21 PM »

But it's a delusional belief, the equivalent of when some fringe Democrats cliam that Republicans are going to kick all black people out of the country. Corbyn has a poor judge of character which has led him to become associated with Anti-Semites due to factional blindness, but no more than your beloved right-wing parties which see Jewish Soros-led conspiracies everywhere.

The Tory government which is the "bulster" against Corbyn has promoted Alan Duncan into ministerial position. The Trump administration is well-known to employ and associate itself with Anti-Semites. Silvio Berlusconi, a man with a long history of Anti-Semitic "banter" (and has promoted the granddaughter of Mussolini, who follows her grandfather's views) will soon take control of Italy in open coalition with parties that directly expouse fascist rhetoric. Shinzo Abe keeps as his deputy a man who has repeatedly praised Hitler and the Nazis, and has had several of his cabinet members outed as Nazis. etc

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« Reply #53 on: February 13, 2018, 05:51:33 PM »

I mean it should also be clear that Corbyn would be ousted about 5 minutes after any military aggravation against Israel. Even the majority of Labour MPs wouldn't back him at that point.
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« Reply #54 on: February 13, 2018, 05:53:17 PM »

The courts can only deal with the cases that reach them.  In cases like the Kansas law, where contractors are being affected by an anti-BDS law, it's fairly simply to show the plaintiff has standing, thus allowing a case to proceed.  But laws that merely require State pension funds not be investing in companies with BDS policies would be practically impossible to bring to trial because investment decisions are opaque and thus it would be practically impossible for a company to show it had standing, much less that it had been harmed.

I mean, there's also the fact that the BDS movement is essentially little more than anti-Semitic hate group.

And the Israeli government is little more than an anti-Muslim hate group.
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« Reply #55 on: February 13, 2018, 05:58:29 PM »

BDS is a anti-semitic hate group. This is unambiguous. Its goals are to criminalize trade with and travel to Israel (as we saw in Ireland, which BDS supported), to intimidate and harass artists who don't obey the imposed boycott (as we see with Roger Waters' campaign of harassment), to kick Jews out of public life unless they pass a purity test (which we saw on college campuses with the Rachel Beyda incident, at Chicago Dyke March where the star of david was deemed "offensive", and on countless other incidents), and to create an unsafe climate for Jewish people to gather and worship (which we saw with the BDS-backed terror protests in Europe).

BDS is an anti-semitic hate group. If you don't support anti-semitic hate groups, you probably shouldn't support BDS and should find another group with tactics that are more agreeable, such as one that boycotts products from behind the green line and doesn't engage with blood-libelers.

You have a Republican avatar. Your party’s leader is a white supremacist and is enthusiastically supported by actual Nazis and Klansmen. Why should anyone give your concern trolling here the time of day?
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« Reply #56 on: February 13, 2018, 06:00:19 PM »

Why is Israel less deserving of a boycott than South Africa though?
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I mean, you've been here awhile, we have these threads every 6 months or so (because fighting bigotry is taking a long time), how could you have missed them all?

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But even if you think Israel is somehow a worse state than the PRC, Russia, Iran, Pakistan, S.Arabia and most African countries then supporting BDS would still be stupid and counter productive to helping the people you want to help.  BDS is a bad organization, doing bad things and run by bad people.  Some Israelie scientists were in Cape Town a few years ago, looking into the water problem they have (Israel is a world leader in desalination plants), the bigots at BDS heard about it and would have none of it.  No dirty Jew water for S.Africans thanks to the BDS.

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« Reply #57 on: February 13, 2018, 06:03:21 PM »

Also this is probably a good thread to point out the fact that apartheid South Africa’s strongest allies were the US (especially under Reagan), the UK (especially under Thatcher) - and Israel.
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« Reply #58 on: February 13, 2018, 06:22:16 PM »

BDS is a anti-semitic hate group. This is unambiguous. Its goals are to criminalize trade with and travel to Israel (as we saw in Ireland, which BDS supported), to intimidate and harass artists who don't obey the imposed boycott (as we see with Roger Waters' campaign of harassment), to kick Jews out of public life unless they pass a purity test (which we saw on college campuses with the Rachel Beyda incident, at Chicago Dyke March where the star of david was deemed "offensive", and on countless other incidents), and to create an unsafe climate for Jewish people to gather and worship (which we saw with the BDS-backed terror protests in Europe).

BDS is an anti-semitic hate group. If you don't support anti-semitic hate groups, you probably shouldn't support BDS and should find another group with tactics that are more agreeable, such as one that boycotts products from behind the green line and doesn't engage with blood-libelers.

You have a Republican avatar. Your party’s leader is a white supremacist and is enthusiastically supported by actual Nazis and Klansmen. Why should anyone give your concern trolling here the time of day?

I was a Republican long before the Cheeto (who I didn't vote for) took control, and I'll be one long after gutless populists are no longer a force in the party. There, now that the "But Truuuuuuuump" derailment is out of the way...

I don't think you get just how little I care what BDSers think. Hate groups don't get negotiated with. Hate groups get shut down at every opportunity by the people they would gladly exterminate. 
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« Reply #59 on: February 13, 2018, 06:29:37 PM »

You're the one claiming that Corbyn (who is not a supporter of BDS) is the most dangerous potential leader of the western world in decades, when someone just as (if not far more) associated with Anti-Semitism is your commander in chief.
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