Who won the 3rd Dem debate?

[Heebie Jeebie]

Buttigieg and Castro are running for Veep to Warren

I bet Warren already knows who she wants. She is smart and way ahead of the game. She'll come to you, you don't have to audition. That's my take.

Speaking of which, did anybody notice how, at the end of the first debate and at the end of last night's debate, Warren immediately bee-lined for Castro to shake his hand and talk to him?

[GeneralMacArthur]

Buttigieg and Castro are running for Veep to Warren

I bet Warren already knows who she wants. She is smart and way ahead of the game. She'll come to you, you don't have to audition. That's my take.

Speaking of which, did anybody notice how, at the end of the first debate and at the end of last night's debate, Warren immediately bee-lined for Castro to shake his hand and talk to him?

I didn't notice that, I did notice nobody wanted to shake Castro's hand later on when he was going around.

Biden was giving Jorge Ramos an earful about something and seemed real friendly with Harris.

[Mr. Smith]

Biden I suppose all things considered.

Democrats really expect on of these candidates to beat Trump?

I really think you're overestimating Trump. This guy has spent his entire presidency comfortably underwater in opinion polls, often by significant margins, and has sparked such a backlash against his presidency that we actually got the highest midterm turnout in ~100 years. And the funny thing about his ultra-polarizing style is that while it has managed to generate some high turnout elections and maintain extreme levels of loyalty among the GOP base, it's also showing how considerable the Democratic base is. The Republican Party doesn't have the voters to coast through presidential elections. It's why they have lost the popular vote in all but one presidential election post-GHWB. So infuriating Democrats and independents and pushing them to vote just makes policy and other negative character attributes less relevant to their choices.

Also, consider that Trump loses to or ties most Democrats right now. There's a reason for that. He's not a strong incumbent. So even if you think they are all weak potential contenders, then also consider he doesn't even need a strong opponent to beat him.

Not only that, but there is the line "The Democrats need a candidate who can stand toe to toe with Trump on the debate stage."  Ummm, Trump is a terrible debater.  He's an ignoramus.  It was one thing for him in 2016 to attack, but now he has a record he has to be able to defend.

He had a record against him in 2016. It wasn't political, but it was hardly anything good.

He can easily just attack again if not walled off. Hillary did as she did because she was good at defense (if the rest of the campaign had been like the debates, she would've won). But Biden won't have that.

Also, given that these debates aren't really debates, so much as joint press conferences, Trump has the reality TV/ratings angle going for him.

Except that was private business and Trump was able to lie about his record.  For the Fox News viewing idiots, he'll be able to lie again and get away with it, but many more people obviously know what Trump has done and it won't be as easy for him to get away with lying about his record.

Except that Trump was already high profile pretty much since the 80's in some way or another, and yet continuously has kept being given attention.

I don't see how here and now into 2020, that'll suddenly change just because he's President, actually since he has Faux News now, he likely has even more power to pull the same tricks from 2016...not to mention that besides the hardline ideologues, most voters have the attention span of a goldfish.

[136or142]

Biden I suppose all things considered.

Democrats really expect on of these candidates to beat Trump?

I really think you're overestimating Trump. This guy has spent his entire presidency comfortably underwater in opinion polls, often by significant margins, and has sparked such a backlash against his presidency that we actually got the highest midterm turnout in ~100 years. And the funny thing about his ultra-polarizing style is that while it has managed to generate some high turnout elections and maintain extreme levels of loyalty among the GOP base, it's also showing how considerable the Democratic base is. The Republican Party doesn't have the voters to coast through presidential elections. It's why they have lost the popular vote in all but one presidential election post-GHWB. So infuriating Democrats and independents and pushing them to vote just makes policy and other negative character attributes less relevant to their choices.

Also, consider that Trump loses to or ties most Democrats right now. There's a reason for that. He's not a strong incumbent. So even if you think they are all weak potential contenders, then also consider he doesn't even need a strong opponent to beat him.

Not only that, but there is the line "The Democrats need a candidate who can stand toe to toe with Trump on the debate stage."  Ummm, Trump is a terrible debater.  He's an ignoramus.  It was one thing for him in 2016 to attack, but now he has a record he has to be able to defend.

He had a record against him in 2016. It wasn't political, but it was hardly anything good.

He can easily just attack again if not walled off. Hillary did as she did because she was good at defense (if the rest of the campaign had been like the debates, she would've won). But Biden won't have that.

Also, given that these debates aren't really debates, so much as joint press conferences, Trump has the reality TV/ratings angle going for him.

Except that was private business and Trump was able to lie about his record.  For the Fox News viewing idiots, he'll be able to lie again and get away with it, but many more people obviously know what Trump has done and it won't be as easy for him to get away with lying about his record.

Except that Trump was already high profile pretty much since the 80's in some way or another, and yet continuously has kept being given attention.

I don't see how here and now into 2020, that'll suddenly change just because he's President, actually since he has Faux News now, he likely has even more power to pull the same tricks from 2016...not to mention that besides the hardline ideologues, most voters have the attention span of a goldfish.

Well, that's part of the problem.  He was given profile from the 1980s on pretty much by the puff press.  Other than one or two documentaries on his corrupt business practices (which I'm pretty sure Trump sued over) most of the stories about him were fawning nonsense. 

[OneJ]

I guess Warren, but honestly the format of these debates gets a bit tiring.

This.

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

I guess Warren, but honestly the format of these debates gets a bit tiring.

This.

That.

[ElectionsGuy]

Warren was the only one that came off as impressive. Biden didn't fail and maintained himself even though he continues to stumble and fumble over stuff and talk a lot but say nothing.

[President Johnson]

Who won? Joseph R. Biden.

Uncle Joe did pretty well, especially in the first hour. His appearance assured me he's the right candidate for this election. He can beat Trump and will provide steady and experienced leadership to get stuff done.


Booker, Beto and Liz also had good nights. I thought Liz would be more aggressive, especially on Biden, but she had a solid performance overall.

[Hermit For Peace]

Warren was the only one that came off as impressive. Biden didn't fail and maintained himself even though he continues to stumble and fumble over stuff and talk a lot but say nothing.

That's not a reassuring thing to say about someone who is running for president of our country, that he didn't fail.

Who in their right mind thinks Biden can be President with all his problems? So, he didn't fail this debate, but did he excite? Did he speak like a normal person who sounds like they know what they are talking about? Someone you want to listen to as president?

I know, people say they don't need "exciting" for president, but who comes out to vote for "boring", and "he didn't fail this time"? We deserve much better than this.