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« on: May 23, 2022, 08:20:08 AM »

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/23/politics/biden-taiwan-china-japan-intl-hnk/index.html

Waaah, almost 19 years later, and after a huge blunder almost 9 years ago, and right after a big missed occasion that led to a major war recently, the US would eventually be considering that the concept of prevention can, respectively, not necessarily be used as a fake reason for a sick agenda, give a concrete meaning to the notion of 'red line', and, could actually be used to deter a major attack...??

Also, just, it's always better when it's people publicly calling for ur help than u showing that u'll do this and that, let Taiwan speak, u might sound less agressive, Ukraine was desperately calling for it on the other hand...before...the invasion

What an irony that it's also today that Zelensky said:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/23/west-should-have-helped-ukraine-in-2014-zelenskyy-tells-davos.html

Also, when u go to Korea and Japan to claim something like this, way for China not to get a feeling of oppression/agression which might not diplomatically help a lot

All that being said, the more the situation lasts in Ukraine, with US already engaging quite big military credits/equipments as if it was already on the front line to the point that now the stocks arent apparently guaranteed for the months to come for the US military itself, it might not be the worst timing to test the US limits for those who would be keen on this in Asia, especially when it's 2 countries that are facing a very disturbing pandemic situation and especially when the biggest of those has to renew its leadership and that the current leader/guide/something between Mao and 'God' enjoys the grip on the power, nothing like an utterly patriotic move to keep everybody nicely in front of TV at home...
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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2022, 10:44:30 AM »

I've read this post 34 times and still don't understand what it's trying to say
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2022, 11:13:58 AM »

I've read this post 34 times and still don't understand what it's trying to say
the second half is trying to say that the US has used up all it's equipment in Ukraine and that the PRC might attack Taiwan to get a Nationalistic bump for Emperor Pooh.

The first half, I got nothing.
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2022, 11:17:49 AM »

I've read this post 34 times and still don't understand what it's trying to say
the second half is trying to say that the US has used up all it's equipment in Ukraine and that the PRC might attack Taiwan to get a Nationalistic bump for Emperor Pooh.

The first half, I got nothing.

The Ukrainian War is having a negligible impact on the arsenal of democracy.
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2022, 11:22:27 AM »

I've read this post 34 times and still don't understand what it's trying to say
the second half is trying to say that the US has used up all it's equipment in Ukraine and that the PRC might attack Taiwan to get a Nationalistic bump for Emperor Pooh.

The first half, I got nothing.

The Ukrainian War is having a negligible impact on the arsenal of democracy.
but how can the US shoot down planes without Stingers or take out tanks without Javs?  Oh yeah, with the thousands of aircraft we have!
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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2022, 12:07:12 PM »

I've read this post 34 times and still don't understand what it's trying to say
the second half is trying to say that the US has used up all it's equipment in Ukraine and that the PRC might attack Taiwan to get a Nationalistic bump for Emperor Pooh.

The first half, I got nothing.

The Ukrainian War is having a negligible impact on the arsenal of democracy.

Especially with respect to a Chinese invasion of Taiwan: there's not too much overlap in the weapons needed:
- There's been a lot of hand-wringing about the rate at which the Ukrainians are using Javelins or that the US stockpile is being depleted, but the javelin is FAR from the only anti-tank weapon in the US arsenal, and anti-ship and strategic anti-air weapons (i.e. the THAAD, the Patriot, or the various Israeli anti-missile systems) would be far more useful for Taiwan anyway.
- Taiwan has never used East Bloc weapons, so there wouldn't be a need to scrounge around the old Warsaw Pact states for old weapons that can be used immediately.
- If it wanted to, considering how much tech manufacturing is located there, Taiwan could probably build really good drones and missiles if it wanted to, especially since these things are so cheap and easy to produce now.
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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2022, 08:43:02 PM »

I've read this post 34 times and still don't understand what it's trying to say
the second half is trying to say that the US has used up all it's equipment in Ukraine and that the PRC might attack Taiwan to get a Nationalistic bump for Emperor Pooh.

The first half, I got nothing.

The Ukrainian War is having a negligible impact on the arsenal of democracy.
but how can the US shoot down planes without Stingers or take out tanks without Javs?  Oh yeah, with the thousands of aircraft we have!

I don't think we're sending them our entire stockpile of anti-tank and anti-air weapons, and even if we were, we can easily produce more.
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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2022, 06:38:45 AM »

I've read this post 34 times and still don't understand what it's trying to say

Maybe you will have more luck on the 35th attempt Wink
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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2022, 07:44:43 AM »

I've read this post 34 times and still don't understand what it's trying to say
the second half is trying to say that the US has used up all it's equipment in Ukraine and that the PRC might attack Taiwan to get a Nationalistic bump for Emperor Pooh.

The first half, I got nothing.

The Ukrainian War is having a negligible impact on the arsenal of democracy.
but how can the US shoot down planes without Stingers or take out tanks without Javs?  Oh yeah, with the thousands of aircraft we have!

I don't think we're sending them our entire stockpile of anti-tank and anti-air weapons, and even if we were, we can easily produce more.

Thats not what Lockheed and Raytheon have said, but hey, a guy named McArthur might know better!

I've read this post 34 times and still don't understand what it's trying to say

Maybe you will have more luck on the 35th attempt Wink

Yeah, i'll let u enjoy the exoticism of the concept of military preventive measures and how the US have brilliantly used it during at least the last 20 years, till very recently, (gosh, memory became that short term that nobody got the references...) and of the language through which i expressed it as much as u want!

And if u dont mind, i actually particularly like the number 36, really ^^

Also, sorry boys, but by being so sure of ur big military without even really allowing any doubts u make such Putin boys of urselves! The Russian and US militaries are way different, at so many levels, but that blind confidence just because of being 'big' really isnt a tactical advantage at all, for both of them...

On the other hand u have a China that is still trying to build its military power, so gotta try to look for most efficient solutions and also the most challenging ones regarding the US, and, u know, they like to observe what others do to inspire themselves..

Unlike Russia in Ukraine, China would be a growing challenger here, challenging an apparently very sure of itself established power

But, anyways, look at that, already today Biden says that 'no, no, the US dont change their policies regarding a united China', if ever there is any strategy in those statements to make China lose its mind and control, which i doubt, then such speeches are at best awkward, at worst dangerous

Moreover US said they would respond if China invades Taiwan, means they'll wait the invasion to do something? Just like in Ukraine?

When does it starts? Especially when u know that while the war in Ukraine was starting China was fully militarily surrounding the island already

I think that, if China actually has such an agenda, they might use some more time to build their strategical positions and equipments, but, sometimes u just dont decide in advance whats the best moment, so who knows what and when...
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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2022, 08:08:12 AM »

Yeah, i'll let u enjoy the exoticism of the concept of military preventive measures and how the US have brilliantly used it during at least the last 20 years, till very recently, (gosh, memory became that short term that nobody got the references...) and of the language through which i expressed it as much as u want!

And if u dont mind, i actually particularly like the number 36, really ^^

Also, sorry boys, but by being so sure of ur big military without even really allowing any doubts u make such Putin boys of urselves! The Russian and US militaries are way different, at so many levels, but that blind confidence just because of being 'big' really isnt a tactical advantage at all, for both of them...

On the other hand u have a China that is still trying to build its military power, so gotta try to look for most efficient solutions and also the most challenging ones regarding the US, and, u know, they like to observe what others do to inspire themselves..

Unlike Russia in Ukraine, China would be a growing challenger here, challenging an apparently very sure of itself established power
so, on one hand, the US is full of itself because of how "big" it is, then, in the very next freaking paragraph, China is a capable challenger.  Because of what exactly?  How experienced their men and equipment are?  Obviously not.  The only way the Chinese military is "better" than the US is in manpower size....ya know, "big".
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Moreover US said they would respond if China invades Taiwan, means they'll wait the invasion to do something? Just like in Ukraine?
Well, we are doing with Taiwan some of what we did with Ukraine since 2014, training them.  It would be nice if we trained more and added "arming" them to the list of ways we are helping, but they are in a far better position vis-a-vis the PRC than Ukraine is to Russia.  100 plus miles of open ocean is a Big DealTM militarily speaking.
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When does it starts? Especially when u know that while the war in Ukraine was starting China was fully militarily surrounding the island already

I think that, if China actually has such an agenda, they might use some more time to build their strategical positions and equipments, but, sometimes u just dont decide in advance whats the best moment, so who knows what and when...
this is true.  As we saw with Putin, sometimes (every time?) dictators are lied to about things that lead them to make really really stupid choices.  Perhaps Pooh is as big of a fool as Vlad the Incompetent.  I don't think he is and I think watching Putin fail horribly in Ukraine is clearing his mind of any military adventures he might have been having for at least a decade.
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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2022, 08:19:48 AM »

Yeah, i'll let u enjoy the exoticism of the concept of military preventive measures and how the US have brilliantly used it during at least the last 20 years, till very recently, (gosh, memory became that short term that nobody got the references...) and of the language through which i expressed it as much as u want!

And if u dont mind, i actually particularly like the number 36, really ^^

Also, sorry boys, but by being so sure of ur big military without even really allowing any doubts u make such Putin boys of urselves! The Russian and US militaries are way different, at so many levels, but that blind confidence just because of being 'big' really isnt a tactical advantage at all, for both of them...

On the other hand u have a China that is still trying to build its military power, so gotta try to look for most efficient solutions and also the most challenging ones regarding the US, and, u know, they like to observe what others do to inspire themselves..

Unlike Russia in Ukraine, China would be a growing challenger here, challenging an apparently very sure of itself established power
so, on one hand, the US is full of itself because of how "big" it is, then, in the very next freaking paragraph, China is a capable challenger.  Because of what exactly?  How experienced their men and equipment are?  Obviously not.  The only way the Chinese military is "better" than the US is in manpower size....ya know, "big".
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Moreover US said they would respond if China invades Taiwan, means they'll wait the invasion to do something? Just like in Ukraine?
Well, we are doing with Taiwan some of what we did with Ukraine since 2014, training them.  It would be nice if we trained more and added "arming" them to the list of ways we are helping, but they are in a far better position vis-a-vis the PRC than Ukraine is to Russia.  100 plus miles of open ocean is a Big DealTM militarily speaking.
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When does it starts? Especially when u know that while the war in Ukraine was starting China was fully militarily surrounding the island already

I think that, if China actually has such an agenda, they might use some more time to build their strategical positions and equipments, but, sometimes u just dont decide in advance whats the best moment, so who knows what and when...
this is true.  As we saw with Putin, sometimes (every time?) dictators are lied to about things that lead them to make really really stupid choices.  Perhaps Pooh is as big of a fool as Vlad the Incompetent.  I don't think he is and I think watching Putin fail horribly in Ukraine is clearing his mind of any military adventures he might have been having for at least a decade.

If things somehow go better for Putin in the coming weeks and months, there is still a chance that Xiping will see it as an invitation for his own designs.
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