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« on: January 20, 2012, 04:51:46 PM »

DISCLAIMER: This may not be the place for this, but I wanted to keep it out of off-topic.


So, we all know the stereotypical dream-anecdote in pre-modern biographies where the great man has a dream/vision (usually before he attains great-man status) and sees a dragon eating a lion eating a mouse, or something like that. None of us ever have dreams like that. Personally, I've rarely had any dream that had anything resembling a clean, clear-cut narrative, let alone a 'symbolic' one. Yet these stories pop up quite persistently in all sorts of places: Antiquity, medieval mysticism, Chinese Folklore,... They're also quite prevalent in the collective Native American imagination as late as the 19th century, I believe.

What's up with that?

A: They are completely the result of literary 'tidying-up' efforts on behalf of chroniclers, historians,... They don't correspond to any real experience by anyone ever.

B: People did have dreams like that, largely because they were socialized in a way that led them to expect their dreams to look like this. This implies the existence of a social 'repertorium' or even a 'collective unconciousness', such as also is suggested by the existence of  culture-specific disease-patterns.

C: People may ahve ahd dreams like that, but that was the result of environmental factors, and they had their causes in the physical world. (=die-hard physicalist option)

D: Just yesterday I dreamt of a Snake eating its own tail and my great-great-great-grandfather gave me advice on my professional life.


(FTR, C and D are only in there for completeness' sake. The real question is whether you think there may be some truth to B)
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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2012, 03:00:33 AM »

Yes, I think there's some truth to B.  I think the stories people hear and tell could have an effect on the content and narrative structure of people's dreams.  We're not just passive in constructing our dreams, I find.  I think we look for patterns and meaning in our dreams while we are dreaming them, just as we look for these things in our awake state. Sometimes I've come across a thing in my dreams and was able to direct them in a way I'd find interesting.
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2012, 10:16:32 PM »

Has to be A IMO.
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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2012, 05:14:29 PM »

Actually, a lot of my dreams are in what you might call "narrative form"; particularly my nightmares.  Not that I have had a dream like those you describe, but I haven't achieved "Great Man" status yet Wink
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