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Maxwell
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« on: January 13, 2013, 08:12:41 PM »

Seems like its Paul Ryan imo, but it might end up being someone on the Dem side, like O'Malley or Warren (should she run).
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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2013, 08:18:44 PM »

As in someone that doesn't win a primary and drops out?

Who's got Hadassah?
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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2013, 08:20:24 PM »

As in someone that doesn't win a primary and drops out?

Who's got Hadassah?

Someone who, from the outside, seemed like they could've been a contender, but utterly bombed their campaign and didn't win a single primary.
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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2013, 08:28:29 PM »

Christie is a real possibility
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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2013, 09:03:16 PM »

Are we talking a Perry type crash and burn or someone whose campaign just never catches steam?
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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2013, 09:19:23 PM »

Are we talking a Perry type crash and burn or someone whose campaign just never catches steam?

The second one, for sure, likely because they assume they are the rightful owner of that position or they seemingly undercut their own party far too much.
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2013, 09:23:48 PM »

In the 2004 cycle, after Gore announced that he wasn't running, Lieberman narrowly led the national primary polls, purely on the basis of name recognition.  He'd been the party's VP nominee just a few years earlier, and none of the other candidates had run for president or VP before except Gephardt (who'd run 16 years earlier, long enough ago that people had forgotten).  Anyone with a reasonable grasp of American politics could have told you that Lieberman was running too much against the grain of the Democratic base, and his rather weak lead in the polls was a bubble that would deflate once people got to know the other candidates.

The closest parallel that might happen in 2016 would be Biden.  If Clinton doesn't run, then Biden leads all the early polls, because he's the only Dem who most voters know.  But once people get to know the other candidates, his lead will evaporate.  Not for the same reasons as Lieberman, but just because his gaffiness won't play well when he's running for himself rather than someone else's #2.  It just won't work in the modern media age.  Every week, there'll be a new Biden-ism that'll blow up in the media and get him in trouble.

One can already see that when surveys are done of Dems who actually know who the non-Biden / non-Clinton candidates are, Biden gets little to no support:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=166523.0

so I don't see him as having much of a chance of winning the nomination if he runs.
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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2013, 10:16:03 PM »

So basically the faux contender of the bunch? The only guys I can see fitting that image right now are Christie and Biden himself, but I think Christie is a much stronger candidate than that.

Who else fits under this label? Lieberman 04, John Edwards 08, Rudy 08? Hard to find examples for the GOP since their frontrunners usually seal the deal (Romney 12, Bush 00, Dole 96, H.W 88., Reagan 80). And IIRC McCain was actually the favorite immediately after the 04 election but gave way to Rudy in late 06-early 07.
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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2013, 10:18:53 PM »

So basically the faux contender of the bunch? The only guys I can see fitting that image right now are Christie and Biden himself, but I think Christie is a much stronger candidate than that.

Who else fits under this label? Lieberman 04, John Edwards 08, Rudy 08? Hard to find examples for the GOP since their frontrunners usually seal the deal (Romney 12, Bush 00, Dole 96, H.W 88., Reagan 80). And IIRC McCain was actually the favorite immediately after the 04 election but gave way to Rudy in late 06-early 07.

I think Paul Ryan will fit this category very well. Right now he's polling within a decent distance of the lead, but as soon as voters get to know more of the other GOP candidates, his numbers will drop fast.
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2013, 10:31:29 PM »

Cuomo.  He's a conservative Democrat with no real base in the party.  I could see his campaign flaming out, maybe not to Lieberman-esque proportions.   

Jeb Bush.  He may reminds Republicans of how terrible their policies are in execution. 
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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2013, 01:51:37 PM »

O'Malley seems possible.
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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2013, 05:54:50 PM »

As in someone that doesn't win a primary and drops out?

Who's got Hadassah?

Someone who, from the outside, seemed like they could've been a contender, but utterly bombed their campaign and didn't win a single primary.

There seems to be a few of these every electoral cycle, given than not many candidates win even one primary.
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« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2013, 11:41:37 PM »

Are we talking a Perry type crash and burn or someone whose campaign just never catches steam?

The second one, for sure, likely because they assume they are the rightful owner of that position or they seemingly undercut their own party far too much.

Hopefully Cuomo.
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