Ukraine Parliament 2012

[Kitteh]

Now here's the Communist Party:

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Good stuff

[Kitteh]

And Spovoda:


Not surprisingly, the fascists had the most polarized results of any of the parties. They were the only party other than PoR and Fatherland to win an oblast (Lviv) but they also got the lowest result of any major party in an oblast (1.4% in Crimea). I'm a little surprised by their success in Kiev (they 17.3%, their 5th best area overall). Usually I think of these parties as having more support in rural areas than urban but in this case I guess I'm wrong.

[Zanas]

In Kiev they must have won the vote of the lumpen-proletariat faced with immigration and delinquency (both real and imaginary) and who votes with rage and hatred.

So if I understood things correctly, to beat the kind-of-Sovietic-in-the-bad-sense Party of Regions, the Opposition Front had an electoral agreement with the fascist Svoboda (yes, drj101, it's not Spovoda, but Svoboda ) in FPTP seats ?

Sigh....

Democracy and a normal political spectrum aren't for tomorrow in Ukraine I guess...

[Hash]

Kiev proper voted against the preservation of the USSR in the March 1991 referendum (the only 3 other oblasts to do likewise were Lviv, Ternopil and Ivano-Frankivsk - obviously). Very amusing (and ironic) that the Svoboda's strongholds correspond perfectly to Austro-Hungarian Galicia pre-1918 (sans Transcarpathia).

btw, interpreting the Svoboda vote along traditional western European ideas of immigration/crime/lower middle-class is really wrong. If racism plays a big role, it's maybe not the kind of racism you expect.

[Zanas]

btw, interpreting the Svoboda vote along traditional western European ideas of immigration/crime/lower middle-class is really wrong. If racism plays a big role, it's maybe not the kind of racism you expect.

Yeah I figured that, and I did not intend to do this for Western Ukraine, which I know to be a very intricate and complicated piece of territory and history. But I thought maybe in a large capital city like Kiev those standards could play a part.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Basically these are the children and grandchildren of people who enthusiastically participated in the Holocaust.

Anyways, I presume that Svoboda's big vote in Kiev came from people who moved there from Galicia? Carpathian Ruthenia's consistently distinctive voting patterns remain fascinating as well, of course.

[LastVoter]

In Kiev they must have won the vote of the lumpen-proletariat faced with immigration and delinquency (both real and imaginary) and who votes with rage and hatred.

So if I understood things correctly, to beat the kind-of-Sovietic-in-the-bad-sense Party of Regions, the Opposition Front had an electoral agreement with the fascist Svoboda (yes, drj101, it's not Spovoda, but Svoboda ) in FPTP seats ?

Sigh....

Democracy and a normal political spectrum aren't for tomorrow in Ukraine I guess...

Immigration is not an issue in Ukraine, because nobody wants to immigrate there. I think Kiev is just transplants from Western Ukraine.

[GMantis]

Looking at the map, it seems that non-Russian ethnic minorities generally supported the Party of Regions. Perhaps they liked the new language law?

btw, interpreting the Svoboda vote along traditional western European ideas of immigration/crime/lower middle-class is really wrong. If racism plays a big role, it's maybe not the kind of racism you expect.

Yes, it's basically a combination of anti-semitism and anti-Russian xenophobia.

[Zuza]

Looking at the map, it seems that non-Russian ethnic minorities generally supported the Party of Regions. Perhaps they liked the new language law?

Did you mean ethnic minorities in Zakarpattia and Chernivtsi oblasts? In this regions PoR polled relatively high already (Yanukovych won in Zakarpattia in 2010 in 1st round), but probably language law increased its popularity further (I don't know how significantly).

[Zuza]

Exit poll results by sex, age, education level and settlement type: http://dif.org.ua/ua/publications/press-relizy/rezultati-eazivaspertiv_.htm (in Ukrainian).

Most notable: PoR and Fatherland are more popular among women, while UDAR and Freedom among men; UDAR have the youngest voters, CPU the eldest; Freedom's voters are best educated, CPU's voters least educated, PoR's voters are also significantly less educated than average; Freedom and UDAR polled better in cities, while Fatherland in rural area.

[Kitteh]

Exit poll results by sex, age, education level and settlement type: http://dif.org.ua/ua/publications/press-relizy/rezultati-eazivaspertiv_.htm (in Ukrainian).

Most notable: PoR and Fatherland are more popular among women, while UDAR and Freedom among men; UDAR have the youngest voters, CPU the eldest; Freedom's voters are best educated, CPU's voters least educated, PoR's voters are also significantly less educated than average; Freedom and UDAR polled better in cities, while Fatherland in rural area.

Interesting, thanks. It really surprises me to see the fascist party with the most educated voters, but like others have said you can't look at Sbovoda like other European far-right parties I guess.

[LastVoter]

Surprised more men voted for Communists than women, I thought Ukraine had similar deficiency of men in the olds bracket like Russia?

[Zuza]

I think Ukraine can have even greater deficiency. Probably slightly more men than women voted for CPU because men tend more to vote protest (against Yanukovych and his party of power), and in Eastern Ukraine CPU is usually the main option for anti-PoR voters.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Apparent gender gaps are often nonexistent, so caution.

[Хahar 🤔]

I assume the Communists are enthusiastically Russophone.

[LastVoter]

Exit poll results by sex, age, education level and settlement type: http://dif.org.ua/ua/publications/press-relizy/rezultati-eazivaspertiv_.htm (in Ukrainian).

Most notable: PoR and Fatherland are more popular among women, while UDAR and Freedom among men; UDAR have the youngest voters, CPU the eldest; Freedom's voters are best educated, CPU's voters least educated, PoR's voters are also significantly less educated than average; Freedom and UDAR polled better in cities, while Fatherland in rural area.

Interesting, thanks. It really surprises me to see the fascist party with the most educated voters, but like others have said you can't look at Sbovoda like other European far-right parties I guess.

My guess would be the rural voters didn't have as much experience with "Moskals" above them in the Communist hierarchy. I'll go ahead and apologize for this unnecessary bump, but this election is really interesting. Seems like there is still a pro-unification party active in Crimea as well(3 seats in green). Hopefully the parliament will fail so another election is called soon.

[Franknburger]

Exit poll results by sex, age, education level and settlement type: http://dif.org.ua/ua/publications/press-relizy/rezultati-eazivaspertiv_.htm (in Ukrainian).

Most notable: PoR and Fatherland are more popular among women, while UDAR and Freedom among men; UDAR have the youngest voters, CPU the eldest; Freedom's voters are best educated, CPU's voters least educated, PoR's voters are also significantly less educated than average; Freedom and UDAR polled better in cities, while Fatherland in rural area.

Interesting, thanks. It really surprises me to see the fascist party with the most educated voters, but like others have said you can't look at Sbovoda like other European far-right parties I guess.

My guess would be the rural voters didn't have as much experience with "Moskals" above them in the Communist hierarchy. I'll go ahead and apologize for this unnecessary bump, but this election is really interesting. Seems like there is still a pro-unification party active in Crimea as well(3 seats in green). Hopefully the parliament will fail so another election is called soon.

Good that you bumped this thread, otherwise I would have completely missed it.

According to my Ukranian friends, all opposition parties had serious flaws. Tymoshenko did not deliver on the 'orange revolution's reform promises. Klitchko, while being credible on his pro-Western and anti-corruption agenda, has been living for so long in Germany that many people questioned his commitment to  Ukraine. This might also explain some of Svoboda's strength (and I wonder whether football / hooligan networks hasn't played a role as well in Kiev).

The strong Communist outcome in Sebastopol is strange. While it is a major navy base, it has also become Ukraine's largest seaside resort, and a very booming and 'hip' place - not the kind of city you would expect to be an ortho-communist stronghold.  I know several UK expats who have bought flats there - maybe gentrification is playing a role (the anti Kiev, anti 'new Ukranian' vote).

[LastVoter]

Exit poll results by sex, age, education level and settlement type: http://dif.org.ua/ua/publications/press-relizy/rezultati-eazivaspertiv_.htm (in Ukrainian).

Most notable: PoR and Fatherland are more popular among women, while UDAR and Freedom among men; UDAR have the youngest voters, CPU the eldest; Freedom's voters are best educated, CPU's voters least educated, PoR's voters are also significantly less educated than average; Freedom and UDAR polled better in cities, while Fatherland in rural area.

Interesting, thanks. It really surprises me to see the fascist party with the most educated voters, but like others have said you can't look at Sbovoda like other European far-right parties I guess.

My guess would be the rural voters didn't have as much experience with "Moskals" above them in the Communist hierarchy. I'll go ahead and apologize for this unnecessary bump, but this election is really interesting. Seems like there is still a pro-unification party active in Crimea as well(3 seats in green). Hopefully the parliament will fail so another election is called soon.

Good that you bumped this thread, otherwise I would have completely missed it.

According to my Ukranian friends, all opposition parties had serious flaws. Tymoshenko did not deliver on the 'orange revolution's reform promises. Klitchko, while being credible on his pro-Western and anti-corruption agenda, has been living for so long in Germany that many people questioned his commitment to  Ukraine. This might also explain some of Svoboda's strength (and I wonder whether football / hooligan networks hasn't played a role as well in Kiev).

The strong Communist outcome in Sebastopol is strange. While it is a major navy base, it has also become Ukraine's largest seaside resort, and a very booming and 'hip' place - not the kind of city you would expect to be an ortho-communist stronghold.  I know several UK expats who have bought flats there - maybe gentrification is playing a role (the anti Kiev, anti 'new Ukranian' vote).

Sevastopol is not as rich as Yalta and other small towns on the other shore. I am pretty surprised it's getting gentrified, since it's more industrial/military oriented then the rest of the Peninsula. I guess they might have run out of room to build near Yalta since there is a mountain range.