Do you support establishing a single payer health care system in the US?

[The Govanah Jake]

Yes

[Beet]

Of course!

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

Of course!

In another time, certainly. As things stand today, convincing Republicans of the merits of medicare-for-all will be much easier than making the Democrats do an about-face on immigration, guns, the culture war etc.  

[Beet]

Of course!

In another time, certainly. As things stand today, convincing Republicans of the merits of medicare-for-all will be much easier than making the Democrats do an about-face on immigration, guns, the culture war etc.  

Most Democrats have already waved the white flag on guns, it wasn't that long ago that Obama was "deporter-in-chief" and a lot of liberals do support deportations; as for "culture war", I don't know what that means. It could mean many different things.

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

Of course!

In another time, certainly. As things stand today, convincing Republicans of the merits of medicare-for-all will be much easier than making the Democrats do an about-face on immigration, guns, the culture war etc.  

Most Democrats have already waved the white flag on guns, it wasn't that long ago that Obama was "deporter-in-chief" and a lot of liberals do support deportations; as for "culture war", I don't know what that means. It could mean many different things.

Obama's deportation record is overstated; turning someone away at the border is not a deportation.

By 'culture war', I refer to the struggle between the advocates of the Permissive Society who seek to normalize every last form of deviancy and those who oppose their efforts: the traditionalists and conservatives who have, for the most part, made their home in the Republican party. Every other issue, including healthcare, is subordinate to this.

[Beet]

Of course!

In another time, certainly. As things stand today, convincing Republicans of the merits of medicare-for-all will be much easier than making the Democrats do an about-face on immigration, guns, the culture war etc.  

Most Democrats have already waved the white flag on guns, it wasn't that long ago that Obama was "deporter-in-chief" and a lot of liberals do support deportations; as for "culture war", I don't know what that means. It could mean many different things.

Obama's deportation record is overstated; turning someone away at the border is not a deportation.

By 'culture war', I refer to the struggle between the advocates of the Permissive Society who seek to normalize every last form of deviancy and those who oppose their efforts: the traditionalists and conservatives who have, for the most part, made their home in the Republican party. Every other issue, including healthcare, is subordinate to this.

Deviancy? Like gay and transgender identity? You think opposing those is more important than healthcare?

[RINO Tom]

Yes.

As everyone on this site probably knows, I don't.

Not really. I don't see it as fiscally responsible or economically reasonable.

Can people stop using this meme -- it's getting stale.

Just because you think that it's a good enough idea that it merits taxing the shlt out of people to pay for it does not mean they can't legitimately oppose the initiative on those grounds without their argument being "stale."

[Person Man]

I support first trying to close up holes in Obamacare, up to and including a public option before trying to implement a Medicare only system. We still have a long ways to go and many other things to try.

[parochial boy]

Yes.

As everyone on this site probably knows, I don't.

Not really. I don't see it as fiscally responsible or economically reasonable.

Can people stop using this meme -- it's getting stale.

Just because you think that it's a good enough idea that it merits taxing the shlt out of people to pay for it does not mean they can't legitimately oppose the initiative on those grounds without their argument being "stale."

At the moment, people pay for a significantly more expensive alternative that isn't even able to provide universal coverage. How is that preferable?

[mvd10]

No, but I support universal healthcare based on private insurers (like in the Netherlands or Switzerland). At that point you probably might as well go full single-payer but I remain ideological enough to oppose single-payer. I mean, I still support privatizing the NHS and I strongly oppose attempts to reestablish single-payer in the Netherlands (I actually support further privatization in the Netherlands).

[Kingpoleon]

Yes.

As everyone on this site probably knows, I don't.

Not really. I don't see it as fiscally responsible or economically reasonable.

Can people stop using this meme -- it's getting stale.

Just because you think that it's a good enough idea that it merits taxing the shlt out of people to pay for it does not mean they can't legitimately oppose the initiative on those grounds without their argument being "stale."

At the moment, people pay for a significantly more expensive alternative that isn't even able to provide universal coverage. How is that preferable?

ACA and pre-ACA America have some degree of autonomy between indivual healthcare and the federal government, which is rather important. Personally, my preference lies with Wyden-Bennett, which reduces the total cost(for government+people) within five years, becoming revenue neutral.