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« Reply #50 on: January 20, 2018, 03:28:27 AM »

This is terrible terrible politics by Schumer. Democrats should NOT be the party of obstruction and government shutdowns, that should solely be the republicans.

"Republicans should be able to get anything they want without opposition" is basically how this reads
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« Reply #51 on: January 20, 2018, 07:07:25 PM »

Democrats need to be more partisan, adversarial, and confrontational, not less.  Otherwise, what's the point of being in one of the major parties in a rigidly two-party system - especially when your party in the minority?

"Bipartisanship" is a fraud and a scourge that depoliticizes genuine struggles concerning access to power and resources (which inevitably upholds the status quo that is favored by those with the most power and resources). Once again: we need to be more political, more partisan, and more adversarial, not less.
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« Reply #52 on: January 20, 2018, 07:10:16 PM »

The GOP, because they have a united gov't. But, the filibuster has been seen an obstruction tool, and will be departed with eventually.
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« Reply #53 on: January 21, 2018, 06:10:35 AM »

According to the New York Times article ‘What the Shutdown Says About the Future of the Democrats’ (link here) the Republican Party since the 1994 “Republican Revolution” has become a “movement party” dedicated to conservative purity. The article fails to grasp the radical 1980s social changes like the sexual revolution that pushed the GOP to this direction, nor that members of these radical social movements generally never vote(d) because their preferences were too far to the left of the Democrats and their financial backers.

Nonetheless, I will vote for the Republicans given the control they have over the Presidency and Congress.

What article author Michael Tomasky fears is that this shutdown will make the Democratic Party – as the Republicans have become since the 1990s – a wholly ideological party that leaves the political centre empty. In Tomasky’s view more frequent political shutdowns could lead to third-party movements from the centre, and potentially to (not specifically stated) radical changes ot the Constitution if partisan gridlock cannot be avoided.
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« Reply #54 on: January 21, 2018, 02:43:08 PM »

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« Reply #55 on: January 21, 2018, 11:56:11 PM »

I blame the children.  If it weren't for CHIP and DACA we wouldn't be in this mess.
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« Reply #56 on: January 21, 2018, 11:59:44 PM »

The Democrats. DACA is irrelevant to the budget and government shutdowns over things that are either irrelevant or trivially relevant to budgetary concerns aren't sound grounds for a budgetary standoff.

Edit: Also Republicans who voted against the CR. To a lesser extent Trump and the rest of the GOP for trying to insert increases in defense spending.

This, pretty much.  The Democrats do deserve the lion's share of blame here.

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« Reply #57 on: January 22, 2018, 11:39:16 AM »

The Democrats. DACA is irrelevant to the budget and government shutdowns over things that are either irrelevant or trivially relevant to budgetary concerns aren't sound grounds for a budgetary standoff.

Edit: Also Republicans who voted against the CR. To a lesser extent Trump and the rest of the GOP for trying to insert increases in defense spending.

This, pretty much.  The Democrats do deserve the lion's share of blame here.



How so?
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« Reply #58 on: January 22, 2018, 12:20:15 PM »

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« Reply #59 on: January 22, 2018, 04:47:51 PM »

Obviously the party controlled by Cadet Bone Spurs, Sh*thole Miller, and Terrible Tom.
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« Reply #60 on: January 22, 2018, 04:53:03 PM »

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