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« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2018, 11:23:12 PM »
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Turk-Arab clans and the drug mafia have already gain the upper hand in many neighborhoods so that the police don't don't dare to enter those areas anymore.

Just watched in on the morning news:
There are 30 Arab family clans in Berlin with over 8.400 members.
Blood feuds and executions int he open streets are daily fare. Most of the clans make money solely by drug dealing, arms deal, armed assaults and prostitution.
The police openly admit to being helpless against the clan structure; they also stated that organized crime has been taking on a dramatic scale in the last years.
For example, they showed a hospital that a clan member was taken to after being shot in broad daylight; a crowd of 150 family members gathered in front of the building. The State Office of Criminal Investigations is dreading vendetta now. Undecided
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« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2018, 12:57:58 PM »

Paris - A lot of people elsewhere in France I believe see Parisians as snobbish and arrogant

London - Many feel politicians and business only care about it.  Certainly many who voted leave as well as even many anti-Thatcher types in the 80s disliked London.

Toronto - Not the capital of Canada, but capital of Ontario and I would say a lot in Ontario outside of Toronto love to hate the city, in fact it seems Toronto bashing is a past time for many Canadians coast to coast.

Rome - While not despised throughout Italy, many in the North especially near Milan considering Rome the beginning of the South of Italy and lump them as representing the stereotypical Southern Italian.  In Milan, Turin and other northern cities, Southern Italians are often stereotyped as lazy and Rome is seen as representing this as its economy is based on government employees while Milan is largely private sector as it is the financial centre.

Beijing - I think in much of the South of China, the see the North as quite culturally different and so see Beijing as more representing Northern China which is quite distinct from Southern China.
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« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2018, 02:06:30 PM »


Significantly less so than pretty much every other post in this thread, I think.

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No, I meant a situation where a historic capital has recently been replaced by a new planned city - Abuja would be a good example. Quite common for their to be genuine resentment towards the new capital, and not just from people associated with the old capital. A good historical example would be St Petersburg, which was never entirely accepted as the 'real' capital despite serving as the seat of government for two hundred years.

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This is an urban myth. The capital has never been defined as the territory administered by the Corporation of the City of London: that would actually be very odd as Westminster has been the principle concentration of state power (thus 'the capital') since the construction of the first Palace of Westminster in the 11th century.
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« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2018, 02:24:46 PM »

Canadians love to joke how Ottawa is boring because nothing exists other than bureaucracy. But otherwise unless you work in the government, it's rarely in the public mind.

This is very much the prevailing stereotype yes, but it is very much patently false. 
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« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2018, 02:43:07 PM »

This is probably easy to research, but doesn't the majority (or close to it) of the population of the City of London live in the Barbican? Is that so gentrified that it could quantifiably be described as posh?
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« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2018, 06:19:44 PM »

This is probably easy to research, but doesn't the majority (or close to it) of the population of the City of London live in the Barbican? Is that so gentrified that it could quantifiably be described as posh?

A majority of the population live in Cripplegate and Aldersgate wards, so, yes. Cripplegate also includes the Golden Lane estate, which was historically in Finsbury. The other two 'residential wards' are Queenhithe (which includes a couple of posh riverside developments) and Portsoken (which includes a couple of small estates on the eastern edge of the City and is quite working class. Parts were historically in Stepney).
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« Reply #31 on: September 14, 2018, 04:54:36 AM »

Despised is maybe too strong a word, but most people definitely don't like Amsterdam mentality and the typical Amsterdam elite. Of course it does not have the political connotation that dislike for "the beltway" has. Dislike for "The Hague" is pretty deep-seated too, but only in a political context, not towards its inhabitants or the character of the city.
Amsterdam is a hipster city, I think. And the rest of the Netherlands (except the North Sea coast) is quite conservative, right?
What about Den Haag? Is it a good middle-class city?
"Hipster city" would be too much of a generalization for a city with about 900,000 inhabitants - Amsterdam is a mixture of foreigners, older people who have jobs in the cultural or the financial world and can afford to live there, young professionals who make a lot of money, and hipsters/students. A defining aspect of Amsterdam is that the working class has mostly left (to places like Purmerend, Almere and Hoofddorp), because they cannot afford to live there anymore and they don't feel like living there anymore either. People with a migration background who became middle-class have followed them. Housing prices in Amsterdam are just insane.

The Hague isn't "middle-class", it's a microcosm of Dutch society (except that, like in Amsterdam, Dutch people also make up fewer than 50% of the population). It has the very worst and the very best neighborhoods of the country, and everything in between: middle-class suburbs, hipsters, students, lower-middle class neighborhoods that are 70%> foreign but aren't all that bad, entire islands of the Dutch working class, etc. Housing prices in The Hague are lower than in the three other big cities. All the government institutions in combination with the lack of tourists give the city a special atmosphere, as do the many parks and the beach: it is a very green city. The best big city to live in, in my opinion.

There is a big gap between Amsterdam and the rest of the country, but I would not say that the rest of the country is "conservative". Cities outside the Randstad urban area are often more progressive or "hipsterized" than suburbs in the Randstad.
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